No Charges In Shooting Of Robber With Water Nozzle

ABC Denver Channel 7 ^ | September 26, 2005

[george76]

I once knew a man with a wooden leg named Smith.

What is the rest?...

[Ben Mugged]

I couldn't figure out how the store owner shot the robber with a water nozzle. Did he squirt water at him? Isn't english composition a requirement for reporters anymore?

[highlymotivated]

I would tend to agree with you but from a LEGAL persective, once the threat is OVER, i.e., Death or Serious Bodily Harm is NOT IMMINENT, you had better BACK OFF! Pulling off 2/3 shots, OK, hold and if the threat is STILL there, another 2/3 but dumping 8-10 into them in one setting is not good. It gives a ADA or DA trying to make a name for themselves too much to play with.

[dangus]

In a cafe that I eat at, there is a sign advertising "DATE NUT BARS." I told the clerk, "Naw, I've dated my share of nut bars, and I can't agree with that recommendation."

[Lancey Howard]

Ron Trauernicht told Wies to put his weapon down, but told investigators that Wies pointed the simulated weapon at Norma Trauernicht's head. That's when her husband fired a single shot at Wies, striking him in the forehead. He died four days later.

Wow! Excellent shot! Sounds like "right between the eyes". Bravo!

[ZGuy]

Perhaps I overstated, but I don't think the best course of action is to fire only one shot and then stop to see if you got the guy. If you didn't -- you're probably dead along with your wife and kids. What do the firearms self-defense instructors say to do in a kill or be killed situation? I am thinking that firing for a second or so seems about right. That would be 4 or 5 shots.

[dangus]

>> Don't bring a water nozzle to a gun fight. <<

Even for a well-armed citizenry, I wouldn't recommend going to gun fights in general. :^)

[SengirV]

So sad that this citizen had to go through this legal trouble.

[highlymotivated]

I teach firearms and we have a lawyer who passes the laws to my students.

It is ok to fire off two or three, in fact, you WILL in a tense situation. You don't want to fill someone full of lead for two reasons.

1. It leaves you low on ammo in a fight.

2. It allows DA's to read into it and propose that you were gun crazy, etc.

Thus:

1. USE FACTORY AMMO in self-protection weapons.

2. Three things MUST be said to cops AFTERWARDS:

(A) I was SOOOOOOOO scared.

(B) He/she/they said that they were going to kill me/us.

(C) I'm not saying a THING more until I speak to a lawyer.

THEN SHUT UP!

[ZGuy]

An an instructor, you will be glad to know that I am saving your response and will share it with my family.

[CSM]

Well, I learn something every day at FR. Now I know what I always feared.....Don't bring a water spray nozzle to a gun fight!

[Mr. Mojo]

Original thread (posted in July)

[george76]

Thanks.

This process took a long time.

[SALChamps03]

Good shootin'!

[george76]

please also add me to your list.

[Snickersnee]

Very poor headline-writing. "...Shooting of Nozzle-wielding Robber with .357 Magnum" is more like it.

[Tenacious 1]

Please put me on your ping list.

Thanks.

[zip]

That's when her husband fired a single shot at Wies, striking him in the forehead. He died four days later.

Man, talk about hard headed. Remember, that was a .357.

[zip]

I once knew a man with a wooden leg named Smith.

Hey, you can be a reporter now that you know how to write headlines. :>)