Posted on 09/27/2005 6:37:12 AM PDT by areafiftyone
SmartCitizen - Sept. 8, 2005
What state your cave, ugh?
If Rudy got on the ballot it would provide untold entertainment value.
I doubt -- very seriously doubt -- that those pushing Rudy know much about him.
Thank you for mentioning that. Not many Freepers know that. I had a boss here in NYC who carried a gun around with him all the time and that was when Rudy was Mayor.
The war is far from a joke. The problems you mentioned is that despite 911, there is little or no political will to police the borders better, call out Islam, etc. Turkey is the model for a relatively free Muslim country, by the way.
In regards to same sex marriage (not gay marriage - gay people are allowed to get married and consistently have been), I must not have been clear. Opposing same sex marriage is NOT being mean to gay people. That's my point. And President Bush and a President Rudy have almost no say on that topic, policywise. Even liberal Clinton signed the DOMA, I don't think Rudy wouldn't. There is broad consensus against same sex marriage.
Being mean to gay people is not a good path and not conservative. That's all I'm saying. The fact that Rudy is friendly with some homosexual people isn't damning to me, I hope it wouldn't be damning to anyone else.
Your post is shadowboxing: I am not for any of the things you are against.
I agree that we need fiscal responsibility. The problem is that no one gets elected on that. As we see in many posts here people are far more concerned with social issues than economic issues.
how did the shooter in the example you cite obtain the gun he used in the empire state building shooting?
"The man who committed this despicable act of hatred and violence came to the United States on December 24th. First, he arrived in New York and then traveled to Melbourne, Florida, where he checked into a cheap hotel.
Using the hotel address, he was able to obtain a photo ID card, and that was all he needed to buy a gun, a .380 Beretta, capable of firing 14 rounds in 4 or 5 seconds."
should this man have been able to purchase a gun? should any non-citizen be able to purchase a gun?
Anyone (well, almost anyone) who wants a gun can get a gun w/carry permit in NYC. It helps if you have a good reason, but it isn't required.
I'm no longer a New Yorker but visit frequently and the difference is night and day.
The point is that this is "morality" in action. What a mayor can do and did do.
As you wrote, Giuliani as President would not make an iota of difference to Bush with guns, gays, or abortion.
He will make a difference where is counts. And like Churchill, as soon as he fixes the things that need fixing will likely be discarded for that allusive candidate that is "perfect" on guns and abortion (even as nothing will change on those issues).
Dear areafiftyone,
"If Rudy does well and wins the nomination he will be it whether we like it or not and you and everyone else who doesn't think he should be president can vote for third party or Dem."
If Mr. Giuliani wins the nomination, then the Republicans will be watching the inauguration in 2009 from the gallery.
Socials conservatives are a large part of the base of the party, just like pro-tax cut conservatives. You can't kick folks in the groin and expect that they'll vote for you.
That's the lesson the party learned vis a vis tax cut conservatives in 1992. If folks decide to nominate Mr. Giuliani, then the party will learn the same lesson vis a vis social conservatives in 2008.
sitetest
The point is that this is "morality" in action.
I have never, ever -- not in my entire life -- heard that applied to NYC.
the screening process by the NYPD is very difficult to get past. very difficult.
Uh, that's why you hire a lawyer. When I worked in a high risk profession, not a week went by when I wasn't offered the services of a lawyer to acquire a carry permit.
You are the one on "tropical drugs" if you think the country wants a "moderate" or a liberal as President.
Moderate = Weak-minded and willing to "compromise" with the enemy. Standing on principle and having strong, unwavering convictions is NOT the forte of "moderates".
Like Rush said once, there are famous conservatives and famous liberals, but there are no famous "moderates".
Our country doesn't need a liberal like Hillary, NOR a liberal (you call a "moderate") like RINO-Rudy as the leader of the free world.
We can do better than either of these goofballs, and we will, so you and your merry band of RINO-lovers might as well stop your incessant RINO-love-fest posting.
should this man have been able to purchase a gun?
No. It was illegal for him to purchase that gun. For one thing, he illegally used a hotel as his place of residence, contrary to Florida gun control laws.
should any non-citizen be able to purchase a gun?
No. Federal law prohibits all immigrants from buying a gun if they have been in the country fewer than 90 days.
Because gun control works, Abu Kamal was prevented from buying that gun. Those seven people he shot were never shot. The two dead people are still alive. Because gun control works.
Maybe you should look at the results of the last election when the Democrats put up a jerk like Kerry.
A few votes in Ohio and that, and much more, is exactly what the country would have wanted.
Look at the SOURCE regarding who are the "odds on favorites right now".
The left-wing or left-leaning pollsters are "push-polling", and the left-wing press is trying to use the power of suggestion to push their DREAM election...
In their twisted minds, if the leftist Hillary wins GREAT.
If one just to the right of Hillary, a RINO like Rudy or McLame, wins - well, they can live with that too.
No one should fall for this crap, or the country will be in trouble.
Don't be silly. Membership on FR embues no one with any special intelligence or awareness. It's just a forum. Therefore, how long I have been a member is certainly irrelevant to any topic.
Everyone knows N.Y.C., up to and under Mayor Dinkins sucked hard. Under Rudi, it became, well, civilized. Have you read "Prince of The City"? Has anyone around here? Didn't think so.
After this President, most citizens of the U.S. are going to look hard at a leader who can articulate his position and who's been there - done that. Not some no-name from Nebraska.
Giuliani can grab a whole lot of conservative/middle-roader democrats who voted for Gore. He could probably carry California. So before the Rudi-haters go off and hide in their caves for the next presidential cycle. I'd at least learn something first.
Justshutupandtakeit did not post it. I DID! And I will continue to post the news on any candidate who wants to and is thinking of running for office in 2008 Rudy included. If the Admin moderators agree with you and don't want me to post this stuff then they will tell me so and I will listen to them because this is their site. They are the ones who make the rules! If anyone else finds this post offensive to their sensitive noses then I am sorry and apologize to them. But I think a good debate/discussion on Rudy's bad and good points is not a bad thing. But then again that is just my opinion.
I'm just reporting what the dumb polls are saying now (Rasmussen, etc). I'm sure things will change when more people say they are definitely running.
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