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The End of the Republican Party?
Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership ^ | September 23, 2005 | The Liberty Crew

Posted on 09/24/2005 9:51:57 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"Do the Republicans know about this? Yes. Of course they do."

They also know about the phony polls, studies, etc., conducted by the Violence Policy Center, but use them anyway to justify their silence on whatever gun law changes the gun-grabbing left wants to push.

21 posted on 09/24/2005 10:41:37 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: SJackson

FYI


22 posted on 09/24/2005 10:41:51 AM PDT by ExitPurgamentum
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To: cripplecreek

"Cowards allways accept the lesser of two evils."

If you saying that people who consider whether or not a person can be elected when voting ofr him are cowards, then I respectfully disagree.


23 posted on 09/24/2005 11:01:01 AM PDT by gondramB ( A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The current Republican party is run by RINOs. It's our job to throw them out - one by one.

A good start would be to take over townships, villages, small cities and counties - both elected positions and unelected spots such as seats on planning commissions. That's the body of the Republican party, and the head (Washington) can't function without co-operation of the body.

The Republican party should not be dumped; it needs to be taken back from the New York Rockefeller socialists (RINOs).


24 posted on 09/24/2005 11:03:10 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Once a politician gets to DC, doesn't matter what he goes in as. He'll come out a prostitute if he/she's not one already.

Let's just have one party - The Prostitution Party - and everybody just try to get what they can get from whoever's there.


25 posted on 09/24/2005 11:06:20 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: sergeantdave

Once again, you have articulated an astute solution to an acute and growing problem!!! All of FReeperdom would be wise to heed your good counsel!!!


26 posted on 09/24/2005 11:08:47 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: satchmodog9
"It is almost like the two parties have done a divide and conquer on us to meet where they always planned."

I see that too. Depending on the day, Some days (when my tin foil hat isn't at the cleaners) I think our gvt, like most others, is really just controlled by the elites -regardless of their party. I'm guessing a lot of these guys belong to the same country club, have the same investments, etc...

Other times I think the leftward lean of our gvt is just a reflection of the leftward lean of the population. When you listen to a lot of the comments here from supposed conservatives, you can really see the erosion in that term anymore.

I'm not sure which perspective depresses me more.
27 posted on 09/24/2005 11:09:47 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: AmericanChef

"Let's just have one party - The Prostitution Party"

Give or take the name tags, I'd say that's about what we do have right now.


28 posted on 09/24/2005 11:12:19 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: adam_az
Tom Tancredo has nothing to do with Pat Buchanan, and is nothing like him. Try again!

Really?

29 posted on 09/24/2005 11:17:01 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: SierraWasp

How you doing, SierraWasp?

I don't like the idea of walking away from a fight that's worth fighting. In 1994, conservative Republicans took over the house. Now they (the party) are getting soft and mushy and slipping into the comfortable daddy socialist swamp.

I say we take our party back.


30 posted on 09/24/2005 11:23:25 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I can hardly believe the article failed to mention any bill numbers!
There are three pro-gun bills languishing in committee at this time that urgently need our attention, H.R. 1603, H.R. 1703, and H.R. 2088 (with over 50 cosponsors!).

I am posting all the information I have readily available, fall is here, congress is back in session, it's time to get involved and convince congress to PASS these bills!

The bill this article references is H.R. 1603, the "Fairness in firearms testing act".
Sorry, I do not have the full text handy at the moment.
The bill requires ATFE-Tech to video document all test, and to make UNEDITED copies available to the defense if they decide they have a case worthy of prosecution.
The full text can be found at http://www.nfaoa.org

The main effect of the bill would be to force ATFE to tighten up their standards and behave rationally, it would have little or no effect on LEGITIMATE prosecutions!

HR 1703 IH

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 1703

To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES


April 19, 2005


Mr. PAUL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Ways and Means, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned



A BILL

To restore the second amendment rights of all Americans.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,



SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.


This Act may be cited as the `Second Amendment Protection Act of 2005'.



SEC. 2. REPEAL OF FEDERAL HARASSMENT PERIOD.


Public Law 103-159 is repealed, and any provisions of law amended or repealed by such Act are restored or revived as if such Act had not been enacted.



SEC. 3. REPEAL OF UNCONSTITUTIONAL DISTINCTION.


(a) Section 5845(f) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended--


(1) by striking `which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes'; and


(2) by striking `which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes'.


(b) Section 921(a)(4)(B) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking `which the Attorney General finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes'.


(c) Section 921(a)(4) of such title is amended in the 2nd sentence by striking `which the owner intends to use solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes'.


(d) Section 921(a)(17)(C) of such title is amended by striking `a projectile which the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes,'.


(e) Section 923(j) of such title is amended by striking `devoted to the collection, competitive use, or other sporting use of firearms in the community'.


(f) Section 922(r) of such title is amended by striking `of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'.


(g) Section 925(a)(3) of such title is amended by striking `determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes and'.


(h) Section 925(a)(4) of such title is amended by striking `(A) determined by the Attorney General to be generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes, or determined by the Department of Defense to be a type of firearm normally classified as a war souvenir, and (B)'.


(i) Section 925(d)(3) of such title is amended by striking `and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'.


(j) Section 925(e)(2) of such title is amended by striking `provided that such handguns are generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes'.


(k) Section 922 of such title is amended in each of subsections (a)(5), (a)(9), and (b)(3) by striking `lawful sporting purposes' and inserting `lawful purposes'.



SEC. 4. EFFECTIVE DATE.


The provisions of this Act shall take effect immediately upon enactment.

H.R. 1703

H.R. 2088
• H.R.2088
• Title: To provide an amnesty period during which veterans and their family members can register certain firearms in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and for other purposes.
• Sponsor: Rep Gibbons, Jim [NV-2] (introduced 5/4/2005)      Cosponsors (55)
• Latest Major Action: 5/4/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committee on Ways and Means, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.

• Rep Akin, W. Todd [MO-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Bachus, Spencer [AL-6] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Baker, Richard H. [LA-6] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Barrett, J. Gresham [SC-3] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Barton, Joe [TX-6] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Bradley, Jeb [NH-1] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Burgess, Michael C. [TX-26] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Calvert, Ken [CA-44] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Cannon, Chris [UT-3] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Cramer, Robert E. (Bud), Jr. [AL-5] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Cunningham, Randy (Duke) [CA-50] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Deal, Nathan [GA-10] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Emerson, Jo Ann [MO-8] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Feeney, Tom [FL-24] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Hefley, Joel [CO-5] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Hostettler, John N. [IN-8] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Hunter, Duncan [CA-52] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Issa, Darrell E. [CA-49] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Kennedy, Mark R. [MN-6] - 5/4/2005
• Rep King, Steve [IA-5] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Kuhl, John R. "Randy", Jr. [NY-29] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Lewis, Ron [KY-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep McCotter, Thaddeus G. [MI-11] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Mollohan, Alan B. [WV-1] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 5/12/2005
• Rep Otter, C. L. (Butch) [ID-1] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Pearce, Stevan [NM-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Peterson, John E. [PA-5] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Putnam, Adam H. [FL-12] - 5/16/2005
• Rep Rogers, Mike D. [AL-3] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Ross, Mike [AR-4] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Salazar, John T. [CO-3] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Shimkus, John [IL-19] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Shuster, Bill [PA-9] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Simpson, Michael K. [ID-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Taylor, Gene [MS-4] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Terry, Lee [NE-2] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Whitfield, Ed [KY-1] - 5/4/2005
• Rep Wilson, Joe [SC-2] - 5/4/2005



These are the only two so far to add their names AFTER the bill was introduced!
• Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 5/12/2005
• Rep Putnam, Adam H. [FL-12] - 5/16/2005\

We clearly need to work harder, I am unsure how many sponsors are needed to get this bill out of committee for passage, but 55 is apparently not enough! ('')


31 posted on 09/24/2005 11:28:25 AM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: cripplecreek
We also thought George Bush was a conservative. We know he's a socialist now.

Sadly, I have to agree with you. The non-military spending bills he's signed is mind bogling.

32 posted on 09/24/2005 11:29:28 AM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
>Their families have been shattered. It has all been because of accusations and sham trials that belong in Communist China, not the United States of America. We're talking about the decades of abuses committed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF).


33 posted on 09/24/2005 11:30:43 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: PRND21

Really.

That is BAY Buchanan.

Not Pat.

Pat has nothing to do with TA PAC

Bay was Reagan's campaign finance person.


34 posted on 09/24/2005 11:33:03 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Pessimist
They have conditioned us to depend on government hence my conclusion. Look at all the clamor on FR regarding lack of federal involvement during Katrina. So many RINO's on this forum who don't even know they are.
35 posted on 09/24/2005 11:36:27 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The sooner those who have wrongly imprisoned are released the better! This is outrageous!


36 posted on 09/24/2005 11:36:53 AM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: sergeantdave
"I say we take our party back."

When sergeantdave speaks... people listen!!!

We'll take it back, one voter at a time, even if we are forced to create new voters!!! (right?)

37 posted on 09/24/2005 11:45:31 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Moderate right-winger; cripplecreek
"Unfortunately conservativism has been seeping out of the GOP for a very long time.
face reality..the 1950's will never be back...this is the most conservative government we'll ever get after Reagan"

You guys are too pessimistic. Within the next few weeks there is going to be a project launched on FreeRepublic that can restore the Constitution in less than ten years. Check your freepmail later today and I will send you a heads up that will allow you a sneak preview and the opportunity to participate.

38 posted on 09/24/2005 11:50:02 AM PDT by Reaganghost (Democrats are living proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.)
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To: Moderate right-winger; sergeantdave
"face reality.."

Sounds like an indecisive "moderate's" invitation to defeatism, to me!!! (I look at life from both sides now...)(Phhhhht!!!)

39 posted on 09/24/2005 11:50:08 AM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: satchmodog9

"So many RINO's on this forum who don't even know they are"

I wasn't gonna go there, but... You can say that again!

Some of the people here are mainly into politics as a sport. All they care about is there side winning, without regard to the kind of gvt they end up with.

Others seem to care mainly about particular social issues (abortion, gay amrriage), but don't otherwise care about the size or scope of gvt.


40 posted on 09/24/2005 11:51:44 AM PDT by Pessimist
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