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The trouble with Darwin (Bush's I.D. comments changed Australia's Educational Landscape)
Sydney Morning Herald ^
| 24 Sept 2005
| Damien Murphy
Posted on 09/24/2005 7:20:09 AM PDT by gobucks
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To: curiosity
"Evolution is not a system. It's just a theory, with lots of supporting evidence, about how life diversifies and adapts. That's it. It's not a worldview. It's not a religion. It's not a philosophy."
These statements are just plain wrong. Esp the philosophy part...
Evolution fully adopted ensures that the vast majority of people will find Genesis rejectable on a rational level. There is no 'man' that God created. Thus, sin as a concept is rejectable. That is known as a premier attribute of secular humanistic worldview ... and it is a direct attack on the foundations of the institution of marriage.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:16:01 PM PDT
by
gobucks
(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
To: gobucks
"See, I have this theory. Leftists, as a rule, are feminists. However, three women took on a subject that is claimed by the right, economic liberty. But funny, none of them had good marriages, and in fact fully fit the bill of 'feminist'."
You need to stop taking acid, it isn't making your posts any more intelligent.
"ALthough this article was wonderful in its evidence it provided to validate my theory, that a bunch of angry women who were betrayed by their Dads are going to come up w/ profound libertarian nonsense..., I am still missing a key piece of the pie. Ayn Rand's Dad."
I think the acid is making you think you are Freud.
"Real conservatives understand that leftism, libertarianism, atheism, zealous adherence to empiricism, homosexuality, abortion, and above all feminism, are mere symptoms of widespread abdication and effeminancy by MEN."
The acid must have hit right about NOW.
"Don't you wonder why it is evolution is so weak that it allows room for so many 'dissenters'?"
Luckily, they are all non-scientists.
"But let's agree on something: you are not going to be able to tell me how adhereing to pure rationalism is going to help me solve my personal issues associated w/ my wife and kids"
I am sure that will take a lot more then this thread can handle. Have you considered a marriage counselor?
Now, remember, one day at a time. Work the steps.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:16:32 PM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: ml1954
Who said his motives were touchy feely? Certainly not me.
I'm talking about intellectual honesty here. If you deny WHY Darwin came up with his godless theory, you will never question its veracity, nor use your mind to analyze what he did.
To blindly accept Darwin as a legitimate scientist on a legitimate quest for truth is to deny history and fact.
You may respond to those facts with your FEELINGS about them, but the facts remain nonetheless.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:17:54 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
To: gobucks
Evolution fully adopted ensures that the vast majority of people will find Genesis rejectable on a rational level.
One doesn't need the TOE to reject Genesis on a rational level. One just needs to be rational.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:18:15 PM PDT
by
ml1954
To: ohioWfan
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:19:18 PM PDT
by
ml1954
To: JNL
"Overall, when reading about M&E you somewhat feel sorry for Marx."
Bub, Marx is the one who knocked up his maid. Marx is the one who ignored his bastard son. Marx is the one who as a Dad was so bad, three of his daughters killed themselves ...
Marx is not someone to feel sorry for...
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:22:31 PM PDT
by
gobucks
(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
To: ohioWfan
"If you deny WHY Darwin came up with his godless theory, you will never question its veracity, nor use your mind to analyze what he did."
His theory isn't any more Godless then the theory of universal gravity.
"To blindly accept Darwin as a legitimate scientist on a legitimate quest for truth is to deny history and fact."
Says you. History says otherwise.
" You may respond to those facts with your FEELINGS about them, but the facts remain nonetheless."
Creationists have nothing but feelings to back their claims. The evidence has left them long in the dust for over 150 years.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:22:50 PM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: ml1954
Actually, I do.
Do the facts bother you? I mean that Darwin was motivated by philosophy and not legitimate scientific inquest?
Does that make a difference to you? Or not?
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:24:00 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
To: gobucks
I hire people all the time and I have degree in European History with a minor in Eng Lit. I failed miserably at all sciences: Geology (I'm color blind), Chemistry (All I remember is the really cute blond who was my lab partner), Biology (In the second semester the Prof kindly suggested I drop the class).
I can honestly say I've never used a scientific method to hire people, I use gut instinct. Wait a minute that what GWB says he uses too!
Science does not have alot to do with "reading people"
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:24:01 PM PDT
by
JNL
To: ml1954
the ripples edge away ... the pond remains still...
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:25:57 PM PDT
by
gobucks
(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
To: ohioWfan
Motivations and feelings and emotions have nothing to do with whether or not a scientific theory has merit. But, you know that, don't you?
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:26:46 PM PDT
by
ml1954
To: CarolinaGuitarman
Acid? I once was offered blotter acid, a long time ago. I refused. I was labeled then, as uncool.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:29:31 PM PDT
by
gobucks
(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
To: CarolinaGuitarman
His goal was to join his friend, the lawyer, Charles Lyell in coming up with a theory that removed the miracles of Genesis. His goal was philosophically motivated.
It takes a great deal of faith to believe in evolution. It's just that those who do, deny it.
And you clearly get emotional when it comes to defending Darwin against the revelation of the truth about who he was.
(btw, I'll bet you learned your 'history' from leftists, didn't you?)
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:29:46 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
To: ml1954
Only in one whose understanding is limited in scope, and who denies the interconnection of the academic disciplines.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:31:10 PM PDT
by
ohioWfan
(If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
To: gobucks
"Acid? I once was offered blotter acid, a long time ago. I refused. I was labeled then, as uncool."
It would have been a better explanation.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:31:29 PM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
To: gobucks
Actually Engles finally took responsibility for the maid and actually did support her somewhat.
http://www.tales.ndirect.co.uk/KARL1.HTML
Now there has been some argument that Marx was the father. I however have always disliked Engles much more than Marx. Without E you most like would never have had M. I subscrbe to the Engles hating club (:
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:31:59 PM PDT
by
JNL
To: ml1954
"One just needs to be rational."
I know, I am told this over and over and over. In truth, I used to be as wedded to this idea as you seem to be.
It was terribly disorienting to discover that rationalism, is indeed, just another way to think. I used to think it was the only way to properly think, and all other ways of thinking were irrational. It was comfortable, I'll have to say....
I like the rationalism of God lots better, even though at times it is less comfortable. Only he calls it 'wisdom'. It is not referred to as 'wising up' for nothing...
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:33:31 PM PDT
by
gobucks
(http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
To: js1138
Actually, in spite of perception, the left is far more opposed to science than the right. True, but the Creationists are working hard to catch up--PNAS envy.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:36:36 PM PDT
by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: ohioWfan
You cannot dispute the TOE on it's merits so you attack the alleged motivations (and feelings and emotions) of Darwin. You have no rational arguments.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:37:14 PM PDT
by
ml1954
To: ohioWfan
"His goal was to join his friend, the lawyer, Charles Lyell in coming up with a theory that removed the miracles of Genesis."
I think you mean Lyell the Geologist who was apposed to Natural Selection. You really have no idea what you are talking about. Most Geologists had already discounted a literal Genesis before Darwin. You need to come up with appropriate motives for all of them.
"And you clearly get emotional when it comes to defending Darwin against the revelation of the truth about who he was."
You haven't a clue to who he was. You wouldn't want to know either.
"It takes a great deal of faith to believe in evolution. It's just that those who do, deny it."
Not when we have the evidence on our side, and you have nothing. We don't lose any sleep at night; do you?
"(btw, I'll bet you learned your 'history' from leftists, didn't you?)"
No. I'll bet you learned your science from them though. Leftists hate science. Post modernism and creationism are bastard siblings.
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posted on
09/24/2005 6:38:19 PM PDT
by
CarolinaGuitarman
("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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