Intelligent designers down on Dover

The York Dispatch ^ | 9/20/2005 | CHRISTINA KAUFFMAN

[SeaLion]

f I announced here on FreeRepublic that I, Vive ut Vivas, am the one true Goddess, and that all other Gods and Flying Spaghetti Monsters are false, would you believe me?

I was already one of your worshippers! Please don't tell me you are a false goddess, because what am I supposed to do now with all this chocolate cake I was about to sacrifice in your honour!?

[SeaLion]

Great article to post, btw -- cheers!

[wallcrawlr]

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


Now I am no prophet but I do realize as a Believer in a literal and inspired Word of God I'll be persecuted.
I got big shoulders...I can handle it.

[Vive ut Vivas]

So it isn't so much the actual existence of a deity you respect, but rather what other men think of that deity?

So my divinity is based on what men think of me? Ok, ok, we can work with this...

[narby]

I'll counter with the Word of God is the Word of God.

And the Word of God created the reality around you. Yet you reject that reality because "it is not the Word of God".

I think you worship a mass manufactured book called "the Bible", not God.

[Right Wing Professor]

Now I am no prophet but I do realize as a Believer in a literal and inspired Word of God I'll be persecuted.

So how, so far, have you been persecuted?

[Vive ut Vivas]

I was already one of your worshippers! Please don't tell me you are a false goddess, because what am I supposed to do now with all this chocolate cake I was about to sacrifice in your honour!?

False goddess, me? Never! Let them eat cake!

[js1138]

Your first article from the Discovery Institute has been withdrawn by the publisher.

Aside from that, the other articles are God of the Gaps stuff. At best they simply point out that science doesn't know everything.

Take any of your gaps articles, assume it is good science and what do you get? Another opportunity for mainstream research to discover the natural cause of the phenomenon.

Can you name a phenomenon studied by science, where science hasn't made progress by assuming natural causes?

[Vive ut Vivas]

Now I am no prophet but I do realize as a Believer in a literal and inspired Word of God I'll be persecuted.

Asking you to acknowledge that you take the Bible on faith instead of fact is persecution?! Man, we're getting soft these days!

[wallcrawlr]

And the Word of God created the reality around you.

You believe in Creation too. Nice.

Yet you reject that reality because "it is not the Word of God".

huh?

I think you worship a mass manufactured book called "the Bible", not God.

Wha...??

narby...go try and find a debate with someone else...I'm not playing today.

[SeaLion]

Now I am no prophet but I do realize as a Believer in a literal and inspired Word of God I'll be persecuted

No, freedom from religious persecution is one of the great guarantees of our Constitution--I value it deeply.

But the agenda of the ID proponents, as set forth in the Wedge Document, is a direct assault on everyone's freedom of thought. The commitment of the Discovery Institute to the freedoms protected by our Constitution are somewhat questionable, in my view.

You are free to believe as you will, and even to proslytise in most places. But the science classroom is not one of those places

[wallcrawlr]

Dont get so dramatic.

[Vive ut Vivas]

Wait. Who was the one saying they'll be persecuted, and who's dramatic?

[wallcrawlr]

Last time I check 2+2=4

When evo is that clear...you can have your freedom.

2/3 of America is waiting.

[harbinger of doom]

Since you are not omniscient I'm pretty sure I can rule you out.

[SeaLion]

Dont get so dramatic

Here, why don't you both have some chocolate cake?

[SeaLion]

When evo is that clear...you can have your freedom

I am confident my freedom was guaranteed in 1776, though it took a few years to secure it. And some of my countrymen had to wait until 1863 for their freedom, and that also took a few more years to secure. But golly, the Constitution has come through pretty well for us, all in all.

2/3 of America is waiting.

For what, some of this chocolate cake!?

That would need a loaves and fishes intervention...

[Vive ut Vivas]

Since you are not omniscient I'm pretty sure I can rule you out.

Perhaps I really am omniscient. The world may never know...

[Vive ut Vivas]

That would need a loaves and fishes intervention...

Maybe later, it's my day off.

[Doctor Stochastic]

How does one book descended from the oral tradition of one middle eastern tribe, with a lot of Babylonian myths tossed in, overrule the untranslated Word of God, available to everyone in the original language -- the world and the univrse itself?

Dictated by the ArchAngel Gabriel directly into the Prophet's Ear.