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Another California energy crisis looms, draft report warns
ap on San Diego Union Tribune ^ | 9/16/05 | Don Thompson - ap

Posted on 09/16/2005 9:59:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: Churchillspirit
I was just joking in making just the liberals and envirowackos get rid of their cars and walk.
In a way , I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy and irony of the Liberals/Envirowackos in that, when they yell and scream about how we should save the environment, do they really put their money were their mouth is ? instead of being a hindrance and obnoxious to the rest of us ?
41 posted on 09/17/2005 4:19:01 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Carry_Okie
I just saw a study article posted on FR about a month or two ago that said that biomass, when you figure all the fossil fuel it takes to process it to a fuel of it's own, you're already behind the danged eight ball!!!

I remember it being a beautiful article and I think I saw some replies by you on it too. Can't remember the title and I'm not worth a tinker's damn at searching for these things.

42 posted on 09/17/2005 5:54:16 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
I just saw a study article posted on FR about a month or two ago that said that biomass, when you figure all the fossil fuel it takes to process it to a fuel of it's own, you're already behind the danged eight ball!!!

It depends upon the form. If you are processing wood waste into the grid with portable gasifiers on the site of the harvest, the trucking costs are next to nothing.

43 posted on 09/17/2005 6:10:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie; forester
These guys were good and added every possible cost involved with not only shipping but everything else imaginable and it doesn't "pan out!"

Anyway, I've been enjoying listening to Barbara Simpson interview Henry Lamb... He took it back to the county master plan process with all the Agenda 21 injection like you discovered and made it clear how this is all implemented around the corner through community activists through the guidance of NGO's.

Anyway, it reminded me of how the elected I defeated kept hyping forest biomass to the point that I finally dubbed him "Biomess Bill!" So as you can see... Yes, my mind is pretty much sealed up on the subject!!!

Forester, do you remember that great article somebody posted on FR about the failure of several alternative energy possibilities a couple of months ago?

Gees! I guess I'll havta go search!!! (I hate when that happens)

44 posted on 09/17/2005 6:57:38 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
These guys were good and added every possible cost involved with not only shipping but everything else imaginable and it doesn't "pan out!"

I guarantee you, they were analyzing transport of the mass to a large central processing plant, not portable generation and local distribution.

45 posted on 09/17/2005 7:07:34 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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And... You'd undoubtedly be right, of course. Conventional wisdom, all the way baby!!! (grin)


46 posted on 09/17/2005 7:23:45 PM PDT by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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Forester, do you remember that great article somebody posted on FR about the failure of several alternative energy possibilities a couple of months ago?

Not exactly...I read so much stuff that it gets hard for me to remember what's what. C_O is right about portable biomass being economical - it eliminates the transport costs (cost of diesel fuel) of the wood chips. I have outlined how this would work several times on this forum over the years.

On another related topic. I was watching a senate hearing the other day on C-span, and Dominci asked the fed energy info agency lady to explain a map that she had. The map was of the all of the oil wells in the gulf of mexico. Each black dot was a well. All of the wells are between the Mexico/Texas border and the Alabama/Florida state line. Dominici asked why isn't there any oil wells off the florida coast, is it because there is no oil there? The agency lady said that there was PROVEN oil and gas reserves off the florida coast in what is known as lease 181. There are no wells because of the moratorium.

He pressed on- how come there are no wells off the east coast or the west coast, isn't there oil there? Yes she replied, there is oil but no new drilling is allowed.

Then came the finale: she stated that the entire lower 48 was off limits to new drilling under the moritorium except for the area of the gulf coast between the Mexico/Texas border and the Alabama/Florida state line that was depicted on the map. I was amazed, there were so many dots on the map, that area of the blue ocean looked like someone spilled pepper on the map.

IMHO, there is no energy shortage - there is shortage of leaders with a backbone .

47 posted on 09/17/2005 8:15:47 PM PDT by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: SierraWasp
And they won't even let us harvest the trees with which to make wooden paddles, therefore we are without a paddle!!!

Whata ya mean "sails?" They've cut off our ag water that we used to grow cotton with for sails in CA, as well!!!

You're funny as heck, but you're fallin behind their curve!!!


You're right. Their obscene destructiveness can't be understated.
48 posted on 09/18/2005 12:33:17 AM PDT by Jaysun (Democrats: We must become more effective at fooling people.)
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