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Katrina: What Happened When (Good Timeline from FactCheck)
Fact Check ^ | 9/16/05

Posted on 09/16/2005 12:14:55 PM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: MNJohnnie

Thats why you need to send them the facts and sources. If they are verifiable sources they will post them. They usually post corrections.


21 posted on 09/16/2005 12:40:23 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I read somewhere that federal aid wasn't requested until 72 hours after the hurricane hit.


22 posted on 09/16/2005 12:40:31 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: areafiftyone

Who runs Fact Check, CNN?


23 posted on 09/16/2005 12:40:52 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Annenberg I think. Even Dick Cheney mentioned them as a good website to quote.


24 posted on 09/16/2005 12:43:25 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: lilylangtree
read somewhere that federal aid wasn't requested until 72 hours after the hurricane hit

CNN had an interview with Blanco where they kept hammering her until she confirmed that it was Wed before she asked for additional FEMA help. FEMA says it was Thursday. They also do not "fact check" the initial NG troops dispatched by Blanco on Thursday. She held a bleedin' PRESS Conference where she made a big deal about how these 300 had "just come back from Iraq" and "had guns and knew how to use them

25 posted on 09/16/2005 12:44:12 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Republican leaders learn as opposed to the Dems leaders who are "stuck on stupid.")
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To: MNJohnnie; spycatcher

Check this link out; much better than Fact Check's timeline:

This is a superb timeline!

Also, the Chair of the ATRW thread published a timeline that explains in concise detail what happened and when and why the federal government was precluded from going into New Orleans until specifically requested by the Governor.

This was published on ATRW today and is just fabulous.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1485619/posts


26 posted on 09/16/2005 12:44:14 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Sparkles; tazman3

PING/BUMP


27 posted on 09/16/2005 12:46:53 PM PDT by tazman3
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To: areafiftyone
But even now, federal and state officials alike seem unaware of the full extent of the unfolding disaster.

FEMA's coordinator William Lokey says of the still-rising water:

FEMA's Bill Lokey: In the metropolitan area in general, in the huge majority of areas, it's not rising at all. It's the same or it may be lowering slightly. In some parts of New Orleans, because of the 17th Street breach, it may be rising and that seemed to be the case in parts of downtown.

I don't want to alarm everybody that, you know, New Orleans is filling up like a bowl. That's just not happening.

None of the state officials present at the press conference correct Lokey's mistaken remark.

I question the validity of this ENTIRE timeline by "Fact"-check, mainly due to the INCORRECT attribution of the quote above. Even ABC got it right, if a bit late in the show that aired last night.

I watched that show on ABC last night that was dedicated to the "system failure" regarding Katrina. It was hosted by Ted Koppel. In it, they showed this news conference, where supposedly, FEMA coordinator, Bill Lokey made the statement attributed to him above.

Near the end of the show, while showing a short clip of the news conference again, Ted Koppel said they had made a mistake, and that, in fact, it was NOT FEMA coordinator Bill Lokey, but actually, Congressman Vitter from LA.

I know that pained Ted Koppel, since the left-wing media want to blame the President for EVERYTHING BAD, and, failing that, at least blame those closest to him (like FEMA personnel), for all the failures of his administration.

28 posted on 09/16/2005 12:47:38 PM PDT by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: areafiftyone
Quote from Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief, August 31, 2005 to the AP:

"It's a very slow rise, and it will remain so until we plug that breach. I think we can get it stabilized in a few hours," Terry Ebbert, New Orleans' homeland security chief told The Associated Press.

SOURCE: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1125454082610_27/?hub=TopStories

29 posted on 09/16/2005 12:48:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: MNJohnnie

Yep. I guess it is Most of the Fact Check. Almost all of the Fact Check. Leave out the Real Incriminating Fact Check.


30 posted on 09/16/2005 12:48:42 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: areafiftyone
And when was it that Nagin said that the reason why he didn't use the school buses for evacuation was because 'they weren't equipped with air conditioning and washrooms?'
31 posted on 09/16/2005 12:50:51 PM PDT by Asfarastheeastisfromthewest...
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To: areafiftyone

Well, whoever wrote this timeline for them, forgot some of the most relevant facts BEFORE the hurricaine hit. It may be an oversight, but it seems intentional.


32 posted on 09/16/2005 12:50:58 PM PDT by Eva
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To: MNJohnnie
Another "Fact check" lie.

Among other things, they also left off the fact that the Friday 5pm advisory forecast track had Katrina heading right for New Orleans. And that track ended up being only 15 miles off.

And Louisiana and NOLA waited. And waited. And waited.

33 posted on 09/16/2005 12:51:05 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Mike Darancette
This Ebbert guy doesn't appear in the time line at all. His statement, if given to the responders would explain why the break was played down early.
34 posted on 09/16/2005 12:52:35 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Peach
This was published on ATRW today and is just fabulous. http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1485619/posts

Thanks Peach, always can count on your for the goods.

35 posted on 09/16/2005 1:03:39 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Republican leaders learn as opposed to the Dems leaders who are "stuck on stupid.")
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To: Peach
This was published on ATRW today and is just fabulous. http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1485619/posts

Thanks Peach, always can count on your for the goods.

36 posted on 09/16/2005 1:03:42 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Republican leaders learn as opposed to the Dems leaders who are "stuck on stupid.")
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To: areafiftyone

Bump for future read - I printed it out. This is the kind of information I've been looking for.


37 posted on 09/16/2005 1:07:50 PM PDT by meyer (The DNC prefers advancing the party at the expense of human lives.)
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To: Peach

Thanks. Just checked it out. More accurate than "Fact Check".


38 posted on 09/16/2005 1:12:16 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: MNJohnnie

I stand corrected with all the facts Freepers have - this is NOT a good timeline!


39 posted on 09/16/2005 1:14:15 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Why do they continually refer to Bush (still at the Crawford Ranch)? This seems to me to be inflamatory. The President is not supposed to get in the way of the people working in his federal agencies. We are at war and there are many things on a President's agenda besides making public relations appearances. The Annenberg Center Public Policy Center is a left leaning organization . . .Bush hating liberals.


40 posted on 09/16/2005 1:20:20 PM PDT by '61 Libertarian
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