Posted on 09/12/2005 10:31:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
This is because most 4-year university's spend 18-24 months devoted to leftist indoctrination.
A motivated student can already graduate an American University in three years.
There is more to the college experience than how fast you can get through it and get to work. Teams, clubs, fraternities student government, learning to live on your own and some extra time to recover from a screw up or two are built into the system.
Lots more people want to come to college in the U.S. - our good colleges are doing fine.
We've got a lot of crappy colleges but that's another thread.
It seems the trend is toward 5 years, not 3.
Well-rounded, my butt, they merely want you to stay 5 or 6 years and pay for this indoctrination. To hell with them!
A lot of young people would rather acquire the knowledge and skill necessary to a productive career than to waste precious time in an extended adolescence. Teams, clubs fraternities, and student government are forms of recreation, and unless the student is footing the bill for his education, housing, and all expenses, he is not learning to live on his own. He is still a subsidized child.
Ding ding ding! We have a winner. BTW, isn't it great how the professors write their own $125 texbooks in which they regularly make superficial changes to thwart the used texbook market?
It seems to me that signigicant portions of the classes I was required to take in College were a huge waste of time, and many left me in disgust at the professors and their hair-brained liberal ideas.
English teachers making up background stories about great authors in direct contradiction to the written history easily available even in those pre-internet days. Not to mention emerging authors still crawling out the slime that spawned them.
College required courses seem a lot like the Federal Budget, and there is a lot of fat that could be cut, quite probably 1 year out of a 4 year program.
I was at an orientation for incoming college freshmen and their parents for a very expensive college. Some recent grads were telling about their experiences and one said that she took an extra year and went on about how worthwhile it was. Then one of the parents shouted from the back "Someone shoot that kid". The annual cost is about 45,000 per year.
College can wait or can be bypassed if one has the desire to gain practical knowlege.
Too many people destroy their talents by studying and not doing.
A lot of young people would rather acquire the knowledge and skill necessary to a productive career than to waste precious time in an extended adolescence. Teams, clubs fraternities, and student government are forms of recreation, and unless the student is footing the bill for his education, housing, and all expenses, he is not learning to live on his own. He is still a subsidized child.Young people who would rather do it three years already can.
Before you could possiby discuss mandating three year programs you would need to significantly improve high school education.
I have seen them switch the order of chapters and nothing else! Though it's very much the publisher and retailer who gouge students the worst, then blame each other.
The better professors have moved away from texts and simply hand out lecture notes, or post them online. Moreso in graduate courses, however; undergrads pay greatly for those mammoth "intro" books.
"Before you could possiby discuss mandating three year programs you would need to significantly improve high school education."
Right on. The senior year of high school is often a joke.
unless the student is footing the bill for his education, housing, and all expenses, he is not learning to live on his own. He is still a subsidized child.
Thank you, I was about to post the same thought.
I have several relatives who could have put their
kids through college and some not. They all made
their kids work their way through and have all been
successful in the real world.
Agreed. I didn't have time for any of that because I had to work my way through college. I was able mostly to work in the field I was studying, so the work experience was far more useful than the classroom stuff. The only use I've gotten out of my degree in 25 years is when some idiot liberal starts yammering about how stupid Republicans are, I note that I'm a Republican and I have a magna cum laude degree with a fistful of academic honors, then challenge them to a game of "Jeopardy" on the subject of current events, which usually makes them pipe down and go away. I never got much out of my degree other than that, but anything that helps clam up a bloviating lib is probably worth the time and money.
Amen to that!
I shake my head at parents who support their children, but balk at setting boundaries of behavior on the grounds that the kids are "adults".
When the kids pay the piper, they can call the tune.
These days its almost impossible for a kid to put himself through college.
When old guys like us (I can see you're an old guy about my age from your profile) were in college, you could work part time and pretty much pay you're way through, I did.
Since then tuition and other costs of college have greatly outpaced inflation, and I'd rather not see my kids graduate and find themselves $100k in debt.
I think there is a lot to be learned in living away from home and being responsible for yourself and your performance, even if you're parents are footing the bill.
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Mostly state-run universities. Wanna get a real education? Go to a junior college or a tech college and get an associate's degree.
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