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It points towards Mecca (Flight 93 memorial)
Politicalities ^ | Sept 11,2005 | Jonathan Haas

Posted on 09/12/2005 12:10:14 AM PDT by spycatcher

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To: King Prout
Take a look first here at the Original graphic which the author used thus: "the biggest overhead view of the memorial I could find with north oriented up. I measured the distance from tip-to-tip of the crescent and came up with 64px east-west and 90px north-south."

Now zoom into the original pic and see if you can tell from the drawing where the red maple trees are supposed to end. I can't, much less use the drawing to figure a east/west, north/south coordinate.

Just a bit off and it points to Sudan or Iran depending or even further offline from Saudi.

I'm too tired to continue with this, but it's looking to me like the whole direction thing starts with wishful thinking about a blurry drawing of an unfinished monument in an approximation…

101 posted on 09/12/2005 4:46:47 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
PING...
102 posted on 09/12/2005 4:48:28 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: spycatcher

If this is supposed to face Mecca, then I'd say the designer goofed by confusing the crescent's rear with its face. The 'qibla' is the line pointing along the shortest distance to Mecca, not the other way around the world, and off the top of my head I don't see a rationale for why an arc would ever be considered to 'point' in any direction except for its opening. Then you look at the fact that people will be entering from the outside of the arc, driving its outer edge, and looking toward its interior... they'll generally have their backs toward the east and 55-degrees.

I'm not sure visitors will sense any of the crescent-ness of this, much less its orientation if it is sufficiently large. Already the endpoints are somewhat ambiguious on the plan view. In the grand scheme of things I'm much more concerned about the WTC memorial than a monumental inkblot test.


103 posted on 09/12/2005 4:53:21 AM PDT by non-anonymous
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To: NetValue
Why aren't the families speaking up on the matter?

The design was exhibited for the families and family members were on the selection committee.

104 posted on 09/12/2005 4:54:45 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: ovrtaxt
This crescent and it's orientation is not coincidental.

A crescent was a mistake, the Mecca-orientation part I'm beginning to think is bogus.

105 posted on 09/12/2005 4:56:01 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr

"Good grief, this is like an ink blot test and some are finding an Osama memorial in it."


FRiend, this is no ink blot test. Ink blots are purely random creations that allow the test taker to interpret them purely with only their internal references. But this is an intentional cresent, with intentional color and orientation that easily drives a normal person to make this rational conclusion. The parallels are far too similar to be coincidental. Did you even see the list of similarities??


106 posted on 09/12/2005 4:56:26 AM PDT by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: spycatcher

Early in my video production career I sold an ad concept to a Japanese heavy industrial corporation. The ad started with a shot of a sunrise. Reason: In Japanes culture, the rising sun is a symbol of good fortune.

Even the accidental use of the crescent should not be ignored, any more than the accidental use of a cross to mark the impact site would be ignored by the liberals. The judges who selected this plan are at best completely ignorant, and at worst insulting our entire nation and especially the memory of those who died fighting an extremist cult dedicated to that symbol.

I've heard that family members have approved the design. I can't understand that. I just can't.


107 posted on 09/12/2005 4:57:51 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (My tagline has been looted.)
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To: King Prout

I had a tagline once with a similar sentiment. I was ordered to stop using it.


108 posted on 09/12/2005 4:59:18 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the looting! The IRS hates competition.)
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To: D-fendr

well, after 10 minutes, that damned pdf locked up my browser.

I'll try to find a different version.


109 posted on 09/12/2005 5:00:59 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: ovrtaxt
I had a tagline once with a similar sentiment. I was ordered to stop using it.

It's good to be the King.

110 posted on 09/12/2005 5:02:08 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (My tagline has been looted.)
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To: SlowBoat407
I've heard that family members have approved the design. I can't understand that. I just can't.

Did they know what we know now? I doubt it. Much like Rather's forged documents, the internet has proven to be the ultimate vetting tool.

111 posted on 09/12/2005 5:03:12 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the looting! The IRS hates competition.)
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To: spycatcher
Having been to Shanksville, I think the design is more innocent than what the designer is being accused of.

It points east, because the the long trough of the plane's impact points east.

Furthermore, if you are going to encompass the wreakage, than you are going to have to create an arc. Looking at overhead shots, again of the debris field, only an arc/crescent does it justice.

112 posted on 09/12/2005 5:04:35 AM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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To: carton253

the design does not point East - its axis (perpendicular to the line of the gap) is oriented at 44.8044degrees north of East, or almost due North-East.


113 posted on 09/12/2005 5:11:22 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: carton253

DRAT

make that 34.8044 degrees north of east

too tired.


114 posted on 09/12/2005 5:12:37 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

Well, those degrees mean nothing to me... but are we sure that is not the trajectory of the debris trough?


115 posted on 09/12/2005 5:16:08 AM PDT by carton253 (It's better to have a gun and not need it than not have a gun and need it.)
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To: King Prout
I have a Stehl.

...and I can get one.

116 posted on 09/12/2005 5:17:26 AM PDT by Semper911 (Nagin = Mayor Culpa)
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To: carton253

if the debris or impact axis aligned with the Great Circle azimuth to Mecca, that would be an interesting coincidence.

we do not know that it did, but let us for the moment assume that it did.

if it were the ONLY "coincidence" I would buy that explanation.

add the minaret and the crescent+cluster and the "coincidences" seem to point to a deliberate set of choices.


117 posted on 09/12/2005 5:20:12 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Windcatcher; spycatcher; King Prout; All
In short, RAISE H*LL.

I couldn't agree more.

LET'S ROLL!

118 posted on 09/12/2005 5:21:11 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: Beth528; Borax Queen

ping


119 posted on 09/12/2005 5:21:24 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: backhoe

>Our friends at LGF have been covering this:<

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Rock on, Green Ones!


120 posted on 09/12/2005 5:21:53 AM PDT by Darnright ( Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before)
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