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Father and daughter's hike ended suddenly by grizzly
Seattle Post-intelligencer via HoustonChronicle.com ^ | Sept. 10, 2005 | CAROL SMITH

Posted on 09/11/2005 4:46:29 PM PDT by Archidamus

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To: JasonC

At 75 yards, how likely would it be that a grizzly would charge you in the first place?


161 posted on 09/11/2005 6:41:00 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Americanchild

Wacko environmentalists? I doubt it. Not even the really hairy ones.


162 posted on 09/11/2005 6:42:41 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: DTogo
Uh... there are no grizzlies in the Santa Ynez Forest that I am aware of - and grizzly protection was not the intent.

My mistake, then.
163 posted on 09/11/2005 6:44:12 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: Spktyr
There are no guarantees of safety in this life.

Yes a real rifle is preferably, but not everyone is realistically going to carry one when they aren't hunting, just hiking. Nor will everyone get it up in time. There is nothing wrong with a handgun for personal protection, and 44 magnums and similar guns will kill bears. In addition, there is a peace of mind factor. I've been on hikes where I encountered bears while unarmed, and though they did not charge, it was not a pleasant experience I can tell you. I'd have felt a lot less helpless with even a .357 or .45, let alone a 30-06.

164 posted on 09/11/2005 6:44:44 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Covenantor
Curious because I'm planning my move to Idaho or Wyoming next spring and need to know the brand so that I can give away my .45-70 Gov. lever gun.

I would be happy to. In fact if you send me the .45/70 I will send you a can of bear spray by return mail, along with all the bear spray research and anecdotal evidence obtained over the past few years.

165 posted on 09/11/2005 6:44:45 PM PDT by Wycowboy
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To: dr_who_2

"a typical pistol has a very low chance of stopping a grizzly."

Shot placement is everything. A brain shot or heart shot will stop it within a short period of time---the former more quickly than the latter.

Certainly one is better armed with a pistol than with his fists and teeth.



166 posted on 09/11/2005 6:45:40 PM PDT by TFMcGuire
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To: Archidamus

The only good bear is a dead bear.


167 posted on 09/11/2005 6:45:48 PM PDT by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: dr_who_2

Okay but I will have to tone it down a bit.

Seems there was this guy who used to hunt male mountain lions for zoos and he had a helper, flex cuffs (no net), a big mean dog, and a pistol.

This guy from the zoo went with him and when they treed the mountain lion, the helper would climb up the tree, saw the limb off, the lion would fall out, the dog would grab the lion by its private parts, the lion would freeze and the the catcher would slip the flex cuffs on the lion and toss him in the back of the truck. After they had caught five lions in this way the man from the zoo asked what the gun was for. The catcher told him his helper insisted he carry the gun. Well the zoo guy saw no reason for the gun until the next lion was treed. Instead of cutting the limb off in time, the lion knocked the helper out of the tree, all the way down he was screaming, "Shoot the dog, shoot the dog".


168 posted on 09/11/2005 6:45:48 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: dr_who_2
Kind of amazing that we take it for granted these days that a university campus is a very likely place to get jumped/raped/murdered in.

"Urban" big city campuses haven't been safe for decades. I made a point to carry a large knife going to college in NYC in the 1970's

169 posted on 09/11/2005 6:46:10 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: dr_who_2
Life isn't a poll, that one could treat 51% as certainty. If he walks off as you make noise and glare at him, great. If he doesn't, let him be the one who pays for it with his life, not you.
170 posted on 09/11/2005 6:46:40 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: dr_who_2
So, what do you think? Should people be allowed to carry weapons in national parks? Would a pistol have been enough to at least scare a grizzly away?

The evidence is now clear. There have been many cases where a pistol has successfully been used in self defense against both black and grizzley bears. A year or so ago, a hiker in Alaska killed a charging grizzley with a .44 mag, and in the famous Treadwell case, I believe it was a State Trooper that killed one of the killer bears when it came at him, with a .40 cal semi auto.

171 posted on 09/11/2005 6:46:49 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: DesScorp
Thanks to our gun hating politicians, if you're in a national park, you have no choice.

You ALWAYS have a choice. It's just that sometimes the choice is whether to risk being tried by 12 versus carried by 6

Remember the 11th Commandment: Don't get caught

172 posted on 09/11/2005 6:49:25 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: U S Army EOD

I'd give that a 8.


173 posted on 09/11/2005 6:49:25 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: U S Army EOD
Bet you wished you had, had a gun.

To shoot my cousin? ;)

174 posted on 09/11/2005 6:49:55 PM PDT by Americanchild
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To: dr_who_2

I could have made it an easy 10 but it would have gotten pulled.


175 posted on 09/11/2005 6:50:22 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: Mercat
I gave up on Joanie Mitchell when she had the audacity to sign Amazing Grace at a pro-baby killing rally.

Just be grateful she didn't sing it! :)

176 posted on 09/11/2005 6:50:38 PM PDT by Migraine
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To: Americanchild

Yes.


177 posted on 09/11/2005 6:50:54 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (LET ME KNOW WHERE HANOI JANE FONDA IS WHEN SHE TOURS)
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To: JasonC
But once the bear actually attacks, it is not going to break it off just to submissiveness,

This attack ended that way. If you fight back against a grizzly, with fists, sticks and stones, well.....guess who's going to lose that one?

178 posted on 09/11/2005 6:51:22 PM PDT by Wycowboy
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To: Wycowboy

"A better choice would be a couple of cans of pepper spray."


What? so the bear can season your carcass before he eats it?


179 posted on 09/11/2005 6:51:32 PM PDT by HighWheeler ("Would I turn on the gas if my pal Mugsy were in there?" "Ehhh, ye might rabbit, ye might." ~ Bugs)
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To: Wycowboy
Yeah, I'm sure you would. But you still left my question unanswered,

... have you ever personally used or witnessed the use of the "bear spray" to deter an angry Grizzly sow with cubs? Could you describe the circumstances and perhaps wind direction relative to the parties involved.

Well, have you?

180 posted on 09/11/2005 6:53:13 PM PDT by Covenantor
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