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New Orleans Gun Confiscation is Blatantly Illegal
The Volokh Conspiracy ^ | 9/9/05 | David Kopel

Posted on 09/10/2005 5:59:21 AM PDT by Brian Mosely

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To: dljordan

You don't need a tin foil hat...Just History. One of many

The Bonus Army.
http://www.thebonusarmy.com/

In the summer of 1932, at the height of the Depression, some forty-five thousand veterans of World War I descended on Washington, D.C., from all over the country to demand the bonus promised them eight years earlier for their wartime service. They lived in shantytowns, white and black together, and for two months they protested and rallied for their cause—an action that would have a profound effect on American history.

President Herbert Hoover, Army Chief of Staff Douglas MacArthur, and others feared the protesters would turn violent after the Senate defeated the "bonus bill" that the House had passed. On July 28, 1932, tanks rolled through the streets as MacArthur's troops evicted the bonus marchers: Newspapers and newsreels showed graphic images of American soldiers driving out their former comrades in arms. Democratic candidate, Franklin Roosevelt, in a critical contest with Hoover, upon reading newspaper accounts of the eviction said to an adviser, “This will elect me,” though bonus armies would plague him in each of his first three years.

http://www.walkerbooks.com/books/catalog.php?key=467

This more that anything gave us FDR

According to the book MacArthur. Against Hoover's orders. Started moving on his own former troops.

One of many disasters given to us by MacArthur.


161 posted on 09/10/2005 2:58:28 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: ninenot

My father asked me the same thing and got pretty much the same answer.

Would I risk my life to defend my right to defend my family and property? HE!! YES!


162 posted on 09/10/2005 3:15:22 PM PDT by sfimom (NW PA thank God.)
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To: supercat

I'm not a lawyer ~ so far, the state is running everything, I guess they like insurrections. ;)


163 posted on 09/10/2005 3:16:54 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Brian Mosely; Congressman Billybob; Travis McGee; Jeff Head
I'm trying to draft a letter to my Senators, Representatives, Attorney General Gonzales, and President Bush, and frankly, I'm so angry that I'm afraid I'm not being precise enough.

Free Republic editorial assistance is requested, and will be welcomed:

Dear xxxx:

I was utterly astonished to see news footage of police and National Guard personnel disarming law-abiding citizens in their own homes in New Orleans.

This order, according to various news reports, was given by New Orleans Superintendent of Police P. Edwin Compass.

Legal scholar and gun rights expert David Kopel has indicated that his research shows that this order may be illegal under Louisiana state laws, and the break-ins and confiscations may violate one or more articles of the Bill of Rights.

Furthermore, there may also be the issue of whether any personnel who acted under color of law to enforce this order may violated the constitutional rights of these citizens under federal law.

I am writing to request your assistance in persuading the United States Department of Justice to open a criminal investigation of these actions and, if a finding is made that any such violations of citizens' civil or constitutional rights did occur, that the individuals involved in the issuance of this order and those who carried it out be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Sincerely,

164 posted on 09/10/2005 3:36:50 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: dljordan

Land grab?
Abso-f-ing lutely (pardon my french).

Prediction-
Saw a story about several men who live in and are currently protecting the garden district. The police are going to "get them" when the media is not around.
Then the corrupt NOPD is going to go through there and take everything they want from EVERY house and NONE of those houses are flooded! The media won't report it because it doesn't want us to see what happens when the government disarms its citizens.


165 posted on 09/10/2005 3:43:40 PM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: quietolong
Here's an FR link on the Bonus Army:

Freeper Foxhole Bonus Army Link

166 posted on 09/10/2005 4:32:42 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Brian Mosely; backhoe

Thank's for that video clip. It is astounding

What I find particularly disturbing about the entire affair is the justification provided by the police.

Because of bacteria, they are forcibly removing people, detaining them, and confiscating their firearms. It seems that the argument of "its for their own good" trumps all other issues in their minds.

So much tyranny starts with paternalism.


167 posted on 09/10/2005 6:49:34 PM PDT by 2ndreconmarine
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To: 2ndreconmarine

You will be shot for your own safety.


168 posted on 09/10/2005 8:41:39 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Eastbound

Thanks.

I just happend to be reading that book. And had that link handy


169 posted on 09/10/2005 8:43:53 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: sfimom; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Brian Mosely
" Also has anyone started a petition yet? If anyone does or finds one can you let me know please?"

Too late for petitions, I'm pretty sure. What we need is a national meeting of Citizens to draft a proclamation ordering all government officials at all levels to turn in their issued weapons at the nearest Armory and make it a felony for any employee or agent of government to use firearms in the performance of their re-defined duties.

If they need any help in some cases, call on the local Citizens for firepower backup.

I have no problem with them carrying their own personal sidearm for self-defense while on duty, but there is absolutely no reason for any government employee or agent to be issued a sidearm or other weaponry to perform their duties, for their re-defined duties will not require it.

Yes, I'm talking about all LEO's, all local, county, state and federal law enforcement officials, all alphabet soup agencies, and private contractors.

The fact is, they can no longer be trusted to preserve and defend the Constitution, for they don't have the slightest idea of what the Constitution is.

The Citizens of this nation have firepower enough for any occasion.

170 posted on 09/10/2005 9:04:28 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
Post Script:

An idea whose time has come.

171 posted on 09/10/2005 9:07:20 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
At ease, folks. The big bluffer just lost his shirt but doesn't know it yet.

Only if the "moderate" arms rights groups, like the NRA, SAF/CCRKBA, and even JPFO, get on the stick and start filing lawsuits. By the time they get to the Supreme Court, maybe, just maybe we'll have a solid 5 votes of strict Constitutional originalists. Otherwise, we are ones hosed. If we lose, it's precedent, but if we don't even contest the action, that's precedent too.

Meanwhile, don't vote for a single gun grabber, of either party. Ever, ever again. Regardless of their stands on other issues.

172 posted on 09/10/2005 9:25:40 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Mulder
Bush is a statist gun-grabber just like his worthless daddy.

Who promised to sign the Texas CHL law, and did, after Queen Ann Richards wouldn't even let the people vote on it. Gonzales OTOH.....

173 posted on 09/10/2005 9:50:27 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Beagle8U
In MHO Bush has been the best Pres. Gun owners have had in quite some time.

That's true, and very sad at the same time. He's also the best one in that regard that we are likely to get in quite a while in the future too.

174 posted on 09/10/2005 9:55:03 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Brian Mosely

Actor Sean "Shotgun" Penn lugs a shotgun through the flooded streets of New Orleans as if he is starring in an action thriller - but he is not. On Tuesday the Hollywood Liberal looked more like Charlton Heston, prowling the storm ravaged Delta loaded for bear. Penn's spokewoman said the weapon is not Penn's, she said did not know exactly how Penn suddenly became a poster child for the second amendment."

175 posted on 09/10/2005 9:57:05 PM PDT by dancusa (Appeasement, high taxes and regulation collects in the diapers of bed wetting liberals.)
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To: planekT
(and I'm sure the BATFE is probably there as well)

Yep, they are, I've seen the videos of them. They were riding around in Light Armored Vehicles, wearing body armor. The one closest to the camera had a "riot" type shotgun, with a cuff on the stock carrying and extra five shells or so. From their point of view, the vest and LAV are probably a good idea. Either that or covering up the "ATF" or "BATFE" on the outside of their clothing.

176 posted on 09/10/2005 9:58:47 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
" . . . but if we don't even contest the action, that's precedent too."

Like the Miller case? Tacit consent. Bad news if there is no contest. I agree.

177 posted on 09/10/2005 10:00:00 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: quietolong
According to the book MacArthur. Against Hoover's orders. Started moving on his own former troops.

So if this was a renegade action, how did Hoover end up catching the blame?

178 posted on 09/10/2005 10:07:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: 2ndreconmarine

>>> Because of bacteria, they are forcibly removing people <<<<

What’s really a good laugh. Is those of us who have gone to & from Olongapo / City Subic Bay Naval Base in the Philippines


Once you made it past the guards at the front gate, you crossed a bridge which spanned a river known simply as the "S**t River." (and that’s what it smelled like) Not a pleasant name, but fairly appropriate given that raw sewage from the town was often dumped into it.

Girls in little, flimsy boats and boys swimming in the water beckoned from below the bridge, telling passers-by to throw pesos or centavos into the river

There would usually be about eight to ten teenage girls down there, all wearing white slacks and brightly colored tank tops. They would balance precariously in their boats and had nets to catch Pesos tossed down from the squids above. Some squids would try to throw the coins just out of the girls reach in the hope of making them fall out of the boat.
(Never saw a girl fall though.) They each did, however, have a young boy in the water next to their boat to dive down for the Pesos that the girls missed. These kids were
literally swimming in an open sewer.
Yet they all healthy.

Gee a painted label San Miguel would go down great now.


179 posted on 09/10/2005 10:08:46 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: DocRock
Barring reporters from locations has nothing to do with freedom of the press. It's not "The Press", that has some special freedom. It's all of us, who have the right to print or otherwise publish what we will. We can be punished for printing slander, but there can be no "prior restraint". Very much like freedom of speech. You can be sued for libel, and you can be punished for inciting a riot, or even yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, causing death and/or injury to others. The government can't tape your mouth shut because you might shout fire... the theater owners could, but only as a condition for entering *their* theater.

But "The Press" has no more rights to know or to go places than anyone else, regardless of what they might tell you. Certainly FReepers should know that they routinely lie, if anyone should.

180 posted on 09/10/2005 10:12:25 PM PDT by El Gato
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