Lincoln holiday on its way out (West Virginia)

West Virginia Gazette Mail ^ | 9-8-2005 | Phil Kabler

[Gianni]

Considering your initial comment, I'll consider you the expert on what a fourteen year-old would post.

[Verginius Rufus]

Taft was a good man and performed well in his other positions during his life, just wasn't very skilled at politics. But I agree that a lot of Presidents don't deserve being celebrated, and would prefer people called the holiday by its right name--Washington's Birthday.

[4CJ]

The Confederates were begging forein nations to come into the war on their side -- and kill fellow Americans.

Lincoln recruited millions of immigrants (foreigners) to kill Southerners.

[Corin Stormhands]

Always the leader, the real Virginia took care of this several years ago.

For years Lee-Jackson Day was celebrated the third Monday in Virginia. When MLK, Jr. Day was created as a federal holiday, Virginia spent about a decade celebrating Lee-Jackson-King Day.

Governor Jim Gilmore introduced legislation to change that. Now, Lee-Jackson Day is a state holiday, celebrated on Friday. MLK, Jr. is a federal holiday celebrated on Monday, giving state workers a four day weekend.

[DeeOhGee]

Wow, that's a leap. To equate support for the right to secede to promtoting slavery is asinine and ignorant.

When New England threatened to secede in the early part of the 19th century, was that in defense of slavery?

When several states - Virginia and Texas among them - reserved the right to secede, you think they did it because of slavery, and not because they were wary of a massive federal government?

[4CJ]

Lincoln did not suspend the Constition, just habeas corpus, which is perfectly constitutional.

Nope. The Supreme Court, with Chief Justice Taney issuing an in-chambers decision, ruled that the President cannot suspend habeas corpus. Taney cited a plethora of historical/legal evidence supporting the decision.

For having the temerity to stand up to King Lincoln, Lincoln issued an arrest warrant to be served on Taney by Lamon - who refused to do so. Lamon once stated that Taney (not Lincoln) was one of the most outstanding men he'd ever met, and deserved his respect.

[4CJ]

Lincoln did arrest, I think, several Maryland state legislators on other occasions, but for specific pro-rebels acts.

Lincoln had federal Judge William Merrick placed under house arrest to prevent him sitting on a case. He was not alone. Lincoln even had the wife of a federal judge arrested.

President Bush would never stoop so low.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Defending Treason is personal with me. Defending those who attempted to destroy the United States of America is personal with me. Slandering one of the greatest men who the world has ever seen in personal with me.

There is nothing to debate here all issues have been long settled and there in NOTHING in the absurd arguments of the Defenders of the RAT Rebellion worthy of anything but abuse.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Apparently YOU are also unfamiliar with Washington's Farewell Address or the character of the man. He would have shot down the traitors as quickly as Andrew Jackson, another slave owner but also a Patriot.

Washington considered himself an American above all as even a slight knowledge of his biography makes obvious.

[justshutupandtakeit]

I became one reading the immature and inane drivel which passes for knowledge among the DSs here. Although I grew out of the defend the "Noble" Cause phase at about 12.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Remember that every one of the USA-bashing Confederates were Democrats!

[Grand Old Partisan]

Let us not forget that during the Nullification Crisis, South Carolina-born President Andrew Jackson threatened to hang rebels from his native state. Yet neo-Confederates complain about Lincoln!

[justshutupandtakeit]

Naturally you saw no reference such as that in my posts but facts never bother the DSs.

New England not only did not try and secede but could not even agree to try and those proposing it were wrong in any case. But at least they had a legitimate beef while the the Slavers had maneuvered the election to make sure Lincoln won so that they could carry forward their decade long plan to destroy the Union. They had NO legitimate beef with the federal government which had kissed their asses for decades. In FACT they controlled it since the founding of the country.

Your other false statement has been repeatedly refuted and there NEVER was any such thing as a conditional ratification with a right to secede nor did the states try to claim one until 1860. No less than Madison (equaled only by Hamilton in constitutional knowledge during the 1780s) EXPLICITLY stated that there was NO right to secede. "Once in the Union, Always in the Union." Another dead issue for the DSs.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Reconstruction did not create the Solid South. The South was solidly Democrat in the 1850s. Remember that in 1860, well before Reconstruction, the Republican Party did not get a single vote in ten of the eleven states which would form the Confederacy.

[justshutupandtakeit]

The Party of Treason from its beginning to the present day.
Defender of Slavery, Founder of the KKK, voted against ending slavery by the 13th amendment, voted against making the freedmen true citizens through the 14th amendment, roadblock against the Civil Rights Acts, preventer of anti-Lynching laws, staunch advocate of Jim Crow laws.

Why does this party still exist when the Nazi Party is history?

[justshutupandtakeit]

Jackson would have PERSONALLY led the army, made the arrests and put the nooses around the necks of traitors. But HE was both a man and a PATRIOT. Something totally hated by the DSs hence the foaming at the mouth at the name "Lincoln."

[Grand Old Partisan]

President Jackson's exact words were: "If one drop of blood be shed in defiance of the laws of the United States, I will hang the first man of them I can get my hands on to the first treee I can find."

[Frankster]

LINCOLN had the Russian fleet in New York and San Francisco harbors. LINCOLN allowed foreigners to join the Union Army by the boatload.

[Grand Old Partisan]

President Lincoln did not command the Russian fleet, just so you know.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Just as it did during the Civil War, our country honors immigrants who join the U.S. Army and Navy. President Bush personally praised a U.S. soldier from Honduras who died in Iraq.