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FEMA Chief Waited Until After Storm Hit
NewsMax ^ | September 7, 2005 | NewsMax Wires

Posted on 09/06/2005 5:56:44 PM PDT by bobsunshine

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To: Lunatic Fringe
Bush declared a disaster on Saturday, and Brown waits until MONDAY to start moving people.... The guy is completely incompetent.

The only evidence of incompetence I've seen on this thread are your posts. Or perhaps you really believe it's "competent" to deploy personnel into a hurricane?

61 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:08 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: M. Espinola

"I am not faulting President Bush for bringing Brown on before, maybe he thought the schlub would work out, but he has not, and should be given a pink slip now.

Check this out: FEMA chief fired from previous job Michael Brown oversaw horse shows, had no significant disaster experience

Mr President I nominate Jabbar Gibson as the new head of FEMA"

Worth repeating


62 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:09 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Perdogg

Yes, you don't send the support people INTO A HURRICANE. That is a recipe for adding additional victims.

The people needed to actually RESCUE people were already there. This is the people needed to start helping victims cope and move on. Surely the coping and moving on didn't need to start before thursday morning.

And there would be no "urgent need", since this was a scheduled operation.

and if the hurricane had failed to live up to expectations, the request would have been different.

This is not the same as putting supplies in the shelters, or using buses to evacuate people before the storm hit.

Next people will complain because FEMA didn't rescue people before the storm hit. "I don't understand how they could wait until AFTER people were up on their roofs to come by and rescue them. The weather was fine on Saturday, why did they wait until Tuesday?"


63 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:14 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Brilliant
He's probably talking about more than just Louisiana.

I know. And he is still way off. The whole disaster area is only 90,000 sq miles. Hardly twice the size of Europe's 4,000,000+ sq miles. In fact, there is no way his comment makes sense. He was obviously trying to repeat the comment that the disaster area is roughly 2x the size of the UK. He just goofed...but it ain't even close.

64 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:21 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: Coop

The way the media works, there's gotta be a scapegoat for every disaster. Rule number two is that it can't be a Democrat.


65 posted on 09/06/2005 6:38:38 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Lunatic Fringe
I think the point is that Brown didnt even START moving people until after the hurricane hit. Bush declared a disaster on Saturday and Brown didn't start moving people until Monday afternoon.

No, it's not the point, no matter how desperately you try to make it so.

66 posted on 09/06/2005 6:39:17 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

The mayor of NO and many other people thought New Orleans had been spared the worst after the storm had passed.

Even into TUESDAY, THE DAY AFTER, stories such as this were being written:
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Band will play on in 'lucky' New Orleans
BY ADAM LISBERG
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Tuesday, August 30, 2005
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/341842p-291887c.html

New Orleans yesterday was like a drunken reveler on the morning after Mardi Gras - woozy but still standing, and glad that it got lucky.

Even with several neighborhoods submerged, buildings downed and some residents feared dead, the jazz city dodged the worst of what Hurricane Katrina had to offer - and the doomsday flooding, damage and deaths that would have come from a direct hit.

The monster storm lost power in the early morning hours and weakened to a still-ferocious Category 4 by daybreak, but it saved the city by veering a mere 30 miles to the east.

"New Orleans was spared," said Stanley Gedzelman, a professor of Earth & atmospheric science at New York's City College. "It missed by a short distance, but that difference was just enough to save the city."

The shift meant Katrina's hellish winds blew from the north instead of the south, so they didn't sweep a deluge of seawater into the low-lying city.

Just as importantly, the feared storm surge never seriously breached the levees that protect New Orleans from the Mississippi River on one side and Lake Pontchartrain on the other.

But the storm still managed to rip holes in the Superdome, blow down walls in the historic French Quarter, tear apart the sides of downtown high-rises and put some of the swampiest neighborhoods underwater.

"It looks like a war zone, with tree branches down everywhere," John Hazard, 44, said from the uptown New Orleans home of his brother-in-law Bill Hines.

Rescuers who ventured out to the hardest-hit areas reported residents stranded on rooftops and screaming for help.

Emergency officials cautioned Katrina would surely claim lives of those who ignored a mandatory evacuation order.

"Everybody who had a way or wanted to get out of the way of this storm was able to," said Terry Ebbert, the city's homeland security chief. "For some that didn't, it was their last night on this Earth."
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So, how was Brown supposed to know what and when to send help, if the mayor himself and that idiot Blanco didn't know what was happening on the ground?


67 posted on 09/06/2005 6:39:51 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: mercy

"I think you better check your days. The storm didn't hit till Monday. The levees broke the next day. FEMA doesn't go in BEFORE a storm. "

They certainly should go in immediately after and they SHOULD NEVER STOP FIRST RESPONDERS LIKE THE RED CROSS FROM GOING IN.


68 posted on 09/06/2005 6:40:38 PM PDT by spanalot (and they should not stop other first responders like the red cross.)
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To: OkieDokie1000
I'm starting to feel a little disappointed in President Bush on this issue.

Are you sure you're not simply feeling a bit nauseous from having your head tickling your large intestine?

69 posted on 09/06/2005 6:41:20 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Coop; Lunatic Fringe

John Kerry's Vietnam service was impressive, despite all the rhetoric and ignorant comments to the contrary.


70 posted on 09/06/2005 6:41:33 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I will not defame New Orleans)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Move them on what? FEMA magic carpets? The transportation assets were NO's and under the control of the mayor. IT WAS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO EXECUTE THEIR EVAC PLAN.
Fertheluvapete!
71 posted on 09/06/2005 6:42:07 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (Deprogramming the left, one truth at a time.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Yes, he should have moved them into the parts of New Orleans where the worst flooding was anticipated, so they could be there to help out.....


72 posted on 09/06/2005 6:42:25 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: spanalot

The Red Cross are not first responders.


73 posted on 09/06/2005 6:43:02 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: spanalot
Accept their resignations immediately.

Of course I'm sure you meant publicly praise and perhaps even reward them for doing more than you or others around here could possibly imagine.

74 posted on 09/06/2005 6:43:35 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: bobsunshine

The following thread strongly refutes your article.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477255/posts


Hurricane Katrina strikes New Orleans at 8:00 AM with winds at 150 MPH and a storm surge of 18 feet.
As the Category 4 surged ashore just east of New Orleans on Monday, FEMA had medical teams, rescue squads and groups prepared to supply food and water poised in a semicircle around the city, said agency Director Michael Brown.
Brown, in a telephone interview with The Associated Press, said the evacuation of the city and the general emergency response were working as planned in an exercise a year ago. “I was impressed with the evacuation, once it was ordered it was very smooth.”
Levee break at 17th street floods about 20% of the city.
At 11:00 AM, FEMA Director Brown arrives in Baton Rouge at the State Office of Emergency Preparedness.


75 posted on 09/06/2005 6:44:06 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Liberalism is an ill fated luxury that we cannot afford at this time; it does not work in a crisis.)
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To: Brilliant

Rule number one is screw the media.


76 posted on 09/06/2005 6:44:50 PM PDT by Coop (www.heroesandtraitors.org)
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To: Brilliant

Read my previous post on this thread


77 posted on 09/06/2005 6:45:21 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Liberalism is an ill fated luxury that we cannot afford at this time; it does not work in a crisis.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

FEMA did the right thing. FEMA are not first responders and remember the levee broken on Monday night. Did you expect them to be in New Orleans during the storm? They don't have bus drivers.

The mayor had all the tools at his disposal, police (the half that stayed), buses, drivers, etc. to get the people out. He fell apart and couldn't handle it. HE should be removed from office.


78 posted on 09/06/2005 6:47:35 PM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Dude, re-insert your knee back into the joint, for crying out loud! FEMA has NOTHING to do with first response - they are an after-the-fact organization that merely provides assistance and files the damn paperwork for the victims of natural disasters.

All the initial responsibility comes from local and state governments, which is why people must be reliant on their own and never trust gov't bureaucrats with their lives.

79 posted on 09/06/2005 6:48:15 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Too bad he didn't hire you. Expert in all things, right??????


80 posted on 09/06/2005 6:48:15 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJ. TAMMY DUCKWORTH ~ A NATIONAL TREASURE)
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