Posted on 09/04/2005 3:05:03 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
Good thing to keep in mind, though, is that people ought to get doctor's advice before they get into a situation where they'd have to take this stuff. It's not a throwaway decision. Drug interactions and effects on people with blood-pressure or thyroid problems make iodine something one should research first before just taking it like aspirin. "In case of mushroom cloud, take two per day for one month." No, not hardly.
Sometimes one has to make life and death decisions without adequate information or counsel.
But you would be foolish not to get medical advice now when you can have it for the asking, and determine in advance whether you'd be better off simply moving out of the way, or making plans to bug out in a big hurry, in case of the unpleasant eventuality.
You're just as dead, if you die of myocardial infarct triggered by hyperkalemia and edema or of thyroid cancer; but the former will kill you a lot sooner and faster, if you are vulnerable -- if you are taking lisinopril plus a potassium-sparing diuretic, say, and then you drop 240 mg/d of potassium iodide on your system. Oops.
Don't let the preventive medicine kill you deader than hell by accident, IOW.
Seek advice while you can, and change your plan in order to abide by it.
Unless I get lucky and have an almost iron clad chance to beat the traffic jams on the freeway over the pass leading east from the valley I'm in, I will gather water, and shelter in place, to minimize my exposure to the radioactive dust (fallout). I've already got food, cash, radios, flashlights, batteries, trash bags, and primitive radiation detectors. Duct tape on cracks around doors and windows, then stay as far from exterior walls and roofs as my residence permits. Take it easy for a few days, until "the dust clears."
The potassium iodide is a no-brainer. It's a simple remedy for a specific condition. I don't need a doctors advice on that one.
I do not consider the average doctor a useful source of knowledge for guiding such decisions as those above.
Your mother henning admonishments to seek professional advice on simple decisions or on matters not in their normal areas of focus is dangerously close to abdicating your personal responsibility to manage your own affairs as best you can.
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the concept of a major city utterly devastated, thousands of people dead, emergency management in disarray and a hostile population within our borders attacking state and federal troops.
Sorry, it's completely inconceivable to me.
Consider Houston being hit with one tonight. Detonated in the ship channel region (lots of industry and refineries). It would be crippling to the nation.
Something like that happens, I go to the store. Rice, canned soup, fiber cereal, clorine bleach and vitamins.
You've got to be kidding.
The amount of potassium in a normal healthy adult diet is some number between 500 and 3500 mg per day. The amount of potassium in the recommended adult dose of the potassium iodide pills is 130 mg per day. I don't need to consult with a physician to be comfortable that 130 mg of potassium is harmless.
Water from a scrungy bathtub might not look too appealing the first day. But it ages well, and quickly. The second day, it will taste better than a good beer. The third day, it will taste like fine wine.
If the patient started taking potassium iodide or iodate supplements in addition, a buildup of potassium might begin (or might be accelerated), leading to hyperkalemic consequences later. It wouldn't happen overnight, but would build up to a serious level over a period of time -- how long would depend on the patient.
One self-medicating marathon runner accidentally killed himself by dosing with potassium before his races. This happened about 15 years ago in a local marathon. With dehydration, the potassium level became too high, and he collapsed and died during a race.
I've looked at that, and while I won't post what I thought about likely targeting in a public forum, your scenario is unlikely, based on what Osama Bin Laden has done in the past.
Osama likes to kill people, and he likes to kill brains -- knowledge workers, because he thinks they're soft and have lots of influence and will squeal nicely when burned. He's after moving governments, like the Spanish government.
He wants America to back off, he wants all the Jews dead, and he wants the shrines.
That doesn't point to industrial targets in the United States. Infrastructure strikes can be repaired and overcome. He wants his strikes to be decision-makers, like Tet and Madrid, or heart-breakers.
This time, he'll want to break the People in order to get to the brains. And the people to get to, in order to do that, are management and knowledge workers and investors. And of course, he may well make an additional effort to make sure he kills a lot of American Jews, since they've been instrumental in supporting Israel.
Lastly, in order to do lasting damage to a petrochemical complex as large as Houston's, a weapon many times larger than anything that might come off one of A.Q. Khan's drafting tables would be required. Only four governments on the planet have that kind of capability besides ours.
But your low grade scare tactics and insistence that one should seek medical advice encourages abdicating our personal responsibility for our lives, health and affairs, which is a far more dangerous state of affairs.
I for damn sure don't need you to tell me when I should consult a medical doctor. That's my job to figure out, so long as I am not endangering others or manifestly incompetent.
If my death is destined to be caused by a gross nutrition mistake, I would far rather it be my mistake, than the mistake of some hired professional in whose hands I had abdicated all responsibility for such matters.
That was my point.
But your low grade scare tactics and insistence that one should seek medical advice encourages abdicating our personal responsibility for our lives, health and affairs
Seeking competent medical advice on a subject as abstruse as pharmacology is exercising personal responsibility.
I for damn sure don't need you to tell me when I should consult a medical doctor.
Hey, big boy, don't let me get in your way. Have another dose of whatever that is. Whatever.
.....I would far rather it be my mistake, than the mistake of some hired professional in whose hands I had abdicated all responsibility for such matters.
LOL! -- Good luck with that bypass! I mean, if guys can do appendectomies on themselves with teaspoons, then by all means, have at it, tough guy! I'll be waiting in the recovery room, smoking a cigarette and playing solitaire.
Go to the store NOW. You ever seen what happens when the weatherman mentions "heavy snow"? Can you imagine what will happen when the forecast mentions "fallout"? The store is the LAST place I'll want to be.
Whatever.
This guy was on Savage last night and said the Chechens beat him up and damaged his hearing on this MP3 - July 18, 2005 - http://www.therothshow.com/demos/hour1jul18.mp3 he said that it was Sicilians - in front of a PA State Senator.
Exactly. The Chechenese Sicilians. I ate at one of those restaurants once...
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