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Katrina: A timeline -- proof the Federal response was NOT SLOW
White House.gov; multiple news & other sources ^ | 9/3/05

Posted on 09/03/2005 8:44:11 PM PDT by Wolfstar

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To: cahome

Well, we don't call them rats for nothing. Once again they've proven they deserve this handle.


241 posted on 09/04/2005 5:41:48 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger (Social Security Administration's motto: "Live fast, Die Young.")
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To: Wolfstar

Marking...thanks for your hard work.


242 posted on 09/04/2005 5:48:19 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Wolfstar; All

OUTSTANDING. Thanks for your work and all who contribute. New media bump.


243 posted on 09/04/2005 5:52:57 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Peach

How do you know the article is referring to the Friday before the storm? The writer seems to jump around with regard to the timing.


244 posted on 09/04/2005 5:58:27 AM PDT by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: nuconvert

That's the point -- I don't know.


245 posted on 09/04/2005 5:59:12 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Wolfstar

Have not read the whole thread but is there anyway a few pictures of the computer models (perhaps 3 over the week leading up to the LA/MS landfall) can be inserted showing how quickly all the models came together and where ALL of them were predicting Katrina to hit land. This needs to be to emphasized to show that there was some lead time to get these people out .


246 posted on 09/04/2005 6:03:54 AM PDT by Tarheel ( Murphy's law #21--Internet flame wars are started by two cats who did not like their supper.)
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To: longshadow
Mayor Nagin said the CIA might want to "wipe him out".

So is it reasonable to conclude that his meeting with the President the other day did not go well? :-)
247 posted on 09/04/2005 6:06:37 AM PDT by cgbg (A cigar a day keeps secular Puritans away.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
State authorities suspected a political motive behind the request

They just can't see beyond the end of their noses. Unbelievable. Disaster looms, lives are at stake, and all they can think of is politics.
248 posted on 09/04/2005 6:11:04 AM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: Wolfstar
Great job, Wolfstar! And thank you for doing it. This is a treasure of information.
249 posted on 09/04/2005 6:32:45 AM PDT by silent_jonny (Chertoff '08)
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To: L.N. Smithee
This is what has your attention? Karl Rove?
250 posted on 09/04/2005 6:35:54 AM PDT by silent_jonny (Chertoff '08)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
Unfortunately, almost all of the media coverage is on NO and not Mississippi and Alabama, even though Mississippi was more devastated by a direct hit. It also looks like that NO is getting more Federal attention than the other areas precisely because they are so incompetent and performing before the cameras. The ironic message is that the more competent you are to help yourself, the less help you will get from outside. Contrast Governor Blanco with Governor Barbor, for instance.
251 posted on 09/04/2005 6:40:17 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: bitt; Wolfstar
FReeper's never cease to amaze me in their quest for and ability to gather the accurate information required to evaluate and understand the events occurring around us.

The mainstream media's coverage of this unprecedented calamity has been and continues to be appallingly dishonest and incendiary and, while I have been angry at MSM in the past, I am livid now!! My fury is swiftly reaching a category 5!

Thank you, Wolfstar, for your efforts in putting this information together and, as always, thank you bitt, for the ping to valuable resource!

252 posted on 09/04/2005 6:42:42 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: gondramB

I honestly think the feds response has been pretty fast concidering they havn't had the support of the local goverment. How fast they can respond in any area depends on having people who are familiar with the city or area and actaully show leadership by sharing that info. with FEMA so they can do their job and co ordinate the fed resources coming in. States and cities in FL and NY show that they did have people in place to get the chaos under control and with the knowledge and the guts to make decisions on the run. There has been way to much hesitation on the part of the Gov. of LA and the mayor of the city of NO.

Whining doesn't help when people need guidence in an emergency, save the whinnyness for later, after you've dealt with the immediate chaos and needs.


253 posted on 09/04/2005 6:51:03 AM PDT by tickles
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To: ChocChipCookie

I watched various news reports and weather predictions leading up to landfall, and IMHO, anyone who stayed behind was certifiable.


254 posted on 09/04/2005 6:51:55 AM PDT by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: filbert

You missed the point. The hurricane could have veered and hit Houston. The food would then have been mis-positioned to the disadvantage of Houston.

The common knowledge comes into play organizationally with the standard operating procedure that individuals and local authorities store enough food to last for 72 hours until the federal and state authorities can organize larger disaster efforts. We don't have to make this up on the spot, its been this way for years.

When I lived in St. Tammany parish, I stocked up. It was the mayor's plan to use the superdome, where was his 72 hours of food?


255 posted on 09/04/2005 7:13:00 AM PDT by sgtyork
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To: maica
Has anyone ever considered that New Orleans should have had 3-5 days worth of emergency supplies inside their own saucer of a city? I only see blame of the Fed response. Never a question of the responsibility of people who LIVE in the path of hurricanes.....

It's not because you're new; it's because you're MISINFORMED. 32 posted on 09/03/2005 11:55:30 PM EDT by Howlin

There will be plenty of blame for the mayor and governor. In one interview the mayor said he didn't order the evacuation because of legal concerns about liability and that he tried to get a clear answer on evacuation from the governor's office and could never get a clear answer on who was in charge of such things.

But as to the Federal response, some military sources are starting to say they were held up by FEMA. And friends at an NGO have told me that privately FEMA employees are blaming their absorption into Homeland security for reducing the budget devoted to natural disaster.

Link Free Republic Thread - Red tape keeping much of military on sidelines So there is plenty of blame to go around. And I don't see how we are honestly going to conclude how much goes to whom at this point.

But it is clear there were problems with the Federal system so there is no point in claiming otherwise. Better, in my opinion, to emphasize how President Bush's personal intervention saved thousands of lives. But I know that is a very unpopular opinion in this thread.

256 posted on 09/04/2005 7:55:13 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: tickles

"Whining doesn't help when people need guidance in an emergency, save the whinnyness for later, after you've dealt with the immediate chaos and needs."

I agree. But it is clear that most of the people in this thread are ready to go into political battle now so I think it's worth discussing what the best strategy is.


257 posted on 09/04/2005 7:58:58 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: sgtyork
We had to pre-position supplies somewhere.

Houston, Shreveport, Memphis, etc. are exactly where food should have been pre-positioned to to support disaster recovery in New Orleans. You certainly did not want to move supplies into New Orleans proper, because it was understood that New Orleans would need to be completely evacuated in the face of a Cat 4/5 storm. Those people need to go somewhere where they can be sheltered and fed. If the people aren't in New Orleans, the supplies shouldn't be there either.

Regarding the Mayor's plan, I direct your attention to this FR thread and the actual New Orleans evacuation plan.

The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles. School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles provided by volunteer agencies may be used to provide transportation for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in evacuating.
. . .
Last Resort Refuge

The definition of Last Resort Refuge is a place for persons to be protected from the high winds and heavy rains from the storm. Unlike a shelter, there may be little or no water or food and possibly no utilities. A Last Resort Refuge is intended to provide best available survival protection for the duration of the hurricane only.
. . .
When it is determined that weather conditions permit, rescue teams will be sent into areas designated for Last Resort Refuge to transport evacuees to designated shelters.
. . .
There was never any intent to feed people at the Superdome. It was a "refuge of last resort" meaning that it was a temporary shelter to be used only until the hurricane itself passed. There's nothing in the plan about what to do if the levees break and people are trapped in the "refuges of last resort."
258 posted on 09/04/2005 8:03:16 AM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com)
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To: rlmorel

I read that on a post here at FR. I believe it was from a news report.

The good side of that kind of bitter nonesense (the banners) is that it requires only the slightest response from us. People don't fall for that stuff so easily anymore, and to get it to backfire on them takes very little on our part.


259 posted on 09/04/2005 8:10:57 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: Wolfstar

Great job!!


BRAVO!!!


260 posted on 09/04/2005 8:13:32 AM PDT by GeorgeW23225 ("Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal")
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