New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes

AP ^ | 9/1/05

[TigersEye]

The Posse Comitatus Act has traditionally been viewed as a major barrier to the use of U.S. military forces in planning for homeland defense.[1] In fact, many in uniform believe that the act precludes the use of U.S. military assets in domestic security operations in any but the most extraordinary situations. As is often the case, reality bears little resemblance to the myth for homeland defense planners. Through a gradual erosion of the act’s prohibitions over the past 20 years, posse comitatus today is more of a procedural formality than an actual impediment to the use of U.S. military forces in homeland defense.

Thanks for the link. This seems like an extraordinary situation to me but maybe that's just me.

[TigersEye]

Thanks Grampa, I bookmarked the site. That's an interesting and little known episode in our history.

[TigersEye]

More info:

The military services were used for civilian law enforcement in 1992 when President Bush issued an Executive Order for the US Marines, Army, and the federalized California National Guard to restore order following the verdict of the Rodney King trial.

So much for the "President doesn't have the authority" rap.

Additional non-combat domestic duties were added. In 1992, the US Army and Air Force assumed a domestic disaster relief mission when they responded to assist after Hurricane Andrew in south Florida and after Hurricane Iniki in Hawaii a month later.

A precedent for hurricanes.

[Grampa Dave]

That is one of the best written historical essays on the Bonus War.

Thanks for bringing it up.

[MEG33]

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011542.php
Another view

[Grampa Dave]

Below is a link to an excellent summary of the National Guard and reserves. The paragraph below is from this. This writeup was published in 2002.

Maybe some Freepers in the National Guard will come on board and explain Federalization of the Guard and how it can happen.

http://www.stormingmedia.us/63/6350/A635024.html

"In peacetime, however, National Guard units belong to states, and state governors are the commanders in chief. Unless federalized, Guard members are not subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and Guard units fall outside of the formal Department of Defense (DoD) command structure. Under the law, the National Guard is composed of individual, but nationally funded and regulated state militias that can be federalized and used as a reserve force."

[dfwgator]

New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes

Sounds like a typical day in Detroit.

[TigersEye]

I'm not sure what view those posts are an alternative to. I quite agree with them. The fault lies with LA and NO. NO has one of the biggest populations of welfare recipients and the city itself exists due to a national welfare system supporting their levee system. NO is a testament to the inefficacy of nanny-state socialism. Shouldn't liberals agree that NO isn't viable and ought to be aborted? ;^)

[TigersEye]

You're just going to fill my bookmark folder aren't you?

Thanks again, Grampa, you have a great wealth of resources on your hard drive. And your soft drive.

[MEG33]

http://www.emergency.com/la-riots.htm
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According to California Governor Pete Wilson, he has activated more than 2,000 National Guardsmen to help quell the rampage in Los Angeles. The Guardsman are reportedly members of Military Police Units and are said to be armed with sidearms and M-16 rifles. Police spokespersons indicate that the Gueardsmen have not been used for law enforcement duties, but to secure areas that have been previously cleared by police. An unidentified Army Sergeant was reported to have said that the guard is "on stand-by" awaiting the orders of police officials.

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As lawlessness continued, President George Bush called for calm and a stop to "anarchy" on the streets of Los Angeles. He said that he had conferred with U.S. Attorney william Barr, Mayor Tom Bradley, and Governor Pete Wilson in an effort to provide whatever assistance might be needed to stop the senseless arson, violence, and looting. President Bush is said to have several key staff members monitoring the situation closely and available to provide federal assistance should it be needed.

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As 4,000 regular Army troops and 1,000 federal law enforcement officers move into Los Angeles, people have begun to actually assess the severity of this latest day of "revolution". They find thirty-eight (38) people dead, 1,250 people injuried, 3,600 structural fires, hundreds of businesses looted and closed, and more than 3,000 people arrested. At least four (4) police officers and three (3) firefighters have been shot and hundreds of other injuried as they attempted to control the fires and lawlessness of the past three days.

A "Dusk to Dawn" curfew has been imposed by Mayor Tom Bradley, in an effort to prevent citizens from congregating into the groups that have controlled the streets in recent days. The curfew also finally has "teeth" as 4,000 California National Guardsmen assist the police in securing areas of previous violence. This evening, the National Guard Units were also "federalized" by President Bush and supplemented by another 4,000 Army and Marine troops with orders to act as "Light-Infantry" and to "return fire if fired upon".

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Notice the Guardsman did not act as "policemen" but to guard secured areas.
The progression..and the conferring with the Governor and the Mayor came before he acted...along with the Attorney General..

[TigersEye]

Thanks for bringing it up.

I'm glad I did. You and MEG33 are going to force me to create a new folder if you keep it up. (what a tragedy)

[Grampa Dave]

For 2 cents, I will let you in on Grampa Dave's Secret.

When something historical comes up or a question like the Federalizing the National Guard, I use the best search machine on the internet. Yahoo.com and its search.

Yahoo.com's search is easier, faster and often more accurate than Google and the other searches. Below is the link to the Yahoo Search on "Federalizing the Nation Guard":

http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=Federalizing%20the%20National%20Guard

[MEG33]

Google is Great!

[TigersEye]

The implication of what you are saying (to follow the logic of those who think the President is being bashed) is that if the Gov. of LA and the Mayor of NO are too dumb or too stubborn to ask for help then the President (and the rest of the Fed Gov) will have to sit on their thumbs and watch NO go up in flames like the rest of us. I have doubts about that.

I have heard on the radio that Pres. Bush is heading down there today to 'conference' with 'local' officials. Perhaps he was invited but it sounded more like he had had enough and was going to go twist some arms. In the end the law will be followed, IOWs the 'local' officials will get to say "we asked the Pres. for help," but the reality will be that Pres. Bush opened a can of whoop-ass on them.

Those LA Dem pols are playing a game of 'drop the ball and blame the Republican Pres.' but it looks like he's going to publically put the ball back in play, put it back in their court and then they can hang on their own petards if they drop it again.

[TigersEye]

No kidding!? Thank you verrry much. I have used nothing but Google for 2-3 years now. I even use yahoo as a mail client so I see their buttons all the time but never was inclined to use the search function. Excellent!

[Grampa Dave]

Try it. You will probably like it.

One of the fun things to do is when a writer or pseudo writer makes an outrageous attack on GW, run a search on it to see the long pattern of such attacks.

[sandbar]

>>I wasn't referring to those who couldn't leave, I was referring to those who wouldn't leave.>>

I agree, stubborness has it's own penalty sometimes.

I apologize too. Emotions are high right now.

Take care and I hope your wife's family is ok!!!

[MEG33]

..I use Yahoo for news, email and Tvguide..I did not see the search feature..Thanks! I cannot believe I missed it..

[TigersEye]

When I read an outrageous attack on anyone I usually feel like I've read all of that author I need to. But I get drift. I definitely will try yahoo search. I had a couple of s. engines I really liked when Google came along and it took a while to give it a real shot but it really was a big step up. Search is one of the best things happening on the net.