EAST BANK OF ORLEANS AND JEFFERSON REMAINING IN THE METRO AREA ARE BEING TOLD TO EVACUATE

WWLTV ^ | 8/30/05 | WWLTV

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

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Expand your horizon a bit.

There are jewelry stores being looted, and it is not the cubic zirconia they are going after but the diamonds and the rubies.

Some looters will reap fortunes.

[spycatcher]

Unfortunately the Atlantis option may be OK with many more people after watching the looting and the shooting and the carjacking and the hostage taking.

[SkyPilot]

Saw a quote from a looter today - paraphrased, this is their chance to strike back at society for oppressing them.

I suppose he will not have any excuse when God demands his life from him, and asks this guy why when he died he had goods in his hands that didn't belong to him.

[SkyPilot]

Yeah, I know, but they have been "oppressed" all their lives.

[WestSylvanian]

I watched the mayor and the governor on Sunday calling for the evacuation. Both seemed to be out of their depth. The governor, in particular, was confused and fumbling. Now she's crying. They waited too long to get people out. People who were stuck on freeways turned around and came back into the city. I'd say New Orleans is doomed. The Mississippi and lake are going to reclaim it.

[demkicker]

If this breech is not fixed, the entire city may be lost and become "Atlantis." This is no joke.

My hubby has been saying this all afternoon. In fact, he's been much more blunt. He thinks unless there is a drastic change, N.O. will be gone forever and will be devoured by Lake Ponchatrain and the Mississippi, which he says is unforgiving.

He was convinced after an Army Corp of Engineers expert said that IF they were to get all levys in perfect working order immediately, they could only pump out one inch per hour. The flooding has commenced. There isn't even an established 'command and control' at this point.

This is really, really, bad folks....

[billbears]

And I doubt the National Guard is going to help the looters carry the loot to high ground.

Well I don't know about the National Guard, but it's clear from the news reports the police will be more than willing to help them...for a small cut of course

[SkyPilot]

They actually have an excellent pump system in New Orleans. It can even handle a 15 inch rain storm in a day or so. I heard on the TV that many of the pumps were designed and built 100 years ago, and that they still worked brilliantly.

But they require electricity. There isn't going to be any electricity for a long time.

Your husband is right about the lake and the mighty Mississippi. This is very, very bad.

[lexington minuteman 1775]

Lot's of folks get high on bourbon street.

[SkyPilot]

The governor, in particular, was confused and fumbling. Now she's crying.

I watched that same new conference. The mayor was bad too, but not as lost. Today, he was talking about "repairing roofs." I think he just must have been tired or something, because who the hell cares about that now.

The Governor did seem way, waaaay out of her league. Now she is a basket case. According to her bio, she is a former teacher who likes to watch "Steel Magnolias" over and over again. The State needs a Gen Patton now, not a weeping ex-union delegate.

[clintonh8r]

What the hell were these people thinking?

They weren't thinking, they were "governing." Maybe next time the voters will do some thinking.

[Free Vulcan]

Thanks. Nice pic, puts it in perspective.

[independentmind]

How many people in the affected areas currently are in a position to be able to hear the mayor's latest evacuation warning? How are they supposed to evacuate in the dark?

Does anyone have any idea how many people are left in the city?

[SkyPilot]

I don't know, but a good question. They are talking about evacuating all the people who are in the Superdome now to a barge or something.

Thousands who don't get the word may die. The breech is now said to be blocks long.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Map of Levees

[RaceBannon]

Helicopters cannot carry in more than 6000 lbs at a run, most of them,If they dropped CONEX boxes filled with sand, it might make a small plug, but with too much area around each box to leak

All they can do is stop it once it has already emptied the lake, to fill the dike once it is empty, there are just not enough helicopters available nor conex boxes filled with sand to make a new rough breech, and then they would need tons of gravel to fill in the cracks around the CONEX boxes...

The only other thing is to sink a barge that is floated from the lake first, then sink it at the breech.

But how would you get the barge to the breech from the lake side?

[TheForceOfOne]

This link to a levee diagram was posted on a duplicate thread that got pulled.

http://www.nola.com/hurricane/popup/nolalevees_jpg.html

[TheForceOfOne]

Sorry, I reposted your link just in case.

[ordinaryguy]

They also require someplace to pump the water into. Apparently the water from one of the breeches was being pumped right back to its source, only to return again. Unless the pumps work faster than the leak, the pumps will lose that game every time.