Posted on 08/26/2005 4:37:24 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Clinton make this comment about several women.
"The courts have already dealt with it. We all lost. Click the link at post #17."
If Dudley wasn`t an ignoramus, the whole incident could have been avoided.
Does the "SF" stand for San Francisco? If so, that explains a lot about your reply.
I don't get into Salt Lake often, but my hubby thinks its a seedy part of town.
Neville? Neville Chamberlain? Is that you?
Do us all a favor and quit voting. We can't afford this sort of attitude anymore.
His radar was way off on this one. He didn't even have enough on her to make his ticket stick.
Officer Heddelsten, what is your social security number, home address and telephone number? A veterans group I know may want to come over and picket your house. Right now we haven't decided whether to put "Nazi" or Communist" on the signs. What would you suggest?
I hope she took some pictures of the cop.
Idiot? Moron? What was this guys point? Maybe he wanted to hit on her, but was to afraid to ask for her phone number.
I'm pretty sure that in Utah being a non-Mormon, non-Caucasian constitutes probable cause....
"Do us all a favor and quit voting. We can't afford this sort of attitude anymore."
What attitude is that? Making a decision based on facts and information?
I view things from both sides and then make a decision. I guess that makes me a dangerous person...( sigh )
And how do you know how I vote?
I would say your "just pull the trigger and ask questions later" is a much more dangerous attitude than mine.
I can see where this thread is going. Did you ping all your buddies yet?
I think a similiar case has already been tested in the courts...appears your "right to remain silent" begins only after you identify yourself. A believe a farmer/rancher was on his own property when a cop approached him and requested identification. The gentleman refused and was arrested. Courts upheld the arrest and subsequent conviction of the farmer.
There are areas is South Salt Lake that are known prostitution areas. I don't know if she were standing in one or not. The cops were wrong to assault her.
A9 maps with "BlockView" indicates it's a fairly nice commercial-office neighborhood. Take a look:
http://maps.a9.com/?mapMode=m&mapBvr=&ypLoc=3021+S+Main%2C+Salt+Lake+City%2C+UT&mapFrom=&mapTo=
Since when are cops better than the rest of us?
It sounds like unreasonable hassling at second reading also. the officer said he didn't suspect her of any crime. It looks to me as if he just wanted to throw his weight around or maybe he liked the way she looked and wanted to call her later. Who knows. I do know that laws that require a person to submit ID should be done away with. I think, IMO, that these types of laws are unconstitutional. If there is probably cause, yes, but otherwise don't come busting my b**ls because I won't like it, and I will refuse no matter what state I am in.
Another proof that there was nothing that was suspicious about her was that they let her go without arresting her, apparently hoping she would not file any charges. Hope she gets satisfaction. We need the USA to turn back into a free country.
So the officer came into this with probable cause, and the evidence of the skidding just added to this. Essentially, the Supreme Court saw this as a motor vehicle stop and it was governed by these rules. In this case, the officer has a right to ask for a license to drive the vehicle even when it is parked, because it is obvious and reasonable to expect that the driver would move the vehicle at some time in the immediate future.
This isn't the case for a pedestrian, who has no need to possess a drivers license and last time I checked a SSN is not allowed to be a legal ID. The officer in the photographer's case stated that he had no reason to suspect her of a crime and thus, no expectation or reason to detain or harass her on the face of it.
Now for the deeper story. Think photographer. Where is this photographer. What is she doing. Remember we are at war and people are observing potential targets. This is a valid reason for an officer to notice and request identity from an individual who is just a seeming pedestrian, and very probably one of the unstated sources of the reason the office became interested in the first place.
This is one of the prostitution areas. 3300 South and State.
They're not even that anymore. They're power-abusing, jack-booted-thug revenue agents disguised as LEO's.
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