California Bill to Shut Down Political Opposition to Homosexuality Nears Passage

EQCA ^ | 8/23/05

[Prophet in the wilderness]

" The really strange thing of opposition here is the German homosexuals helped bring fascism to Europe under Hitler " .....
The homosexuals and the feminist will be at the forefront to usher in the anti Christ and the beast.
Make no mistake about it, homosexuality is a spirit, a demonic and satanic spirit.

[Gritty]

Does the First Amendment still apply in the USA?

Not since the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Law was passed by an obsequious Congress, signed by a overly trusting, buck-passing President and ratified by an absolutely deficient Court which wouldn't recognize the US Constitution if it fell into it's lap.

This current Bill is just another one of those greasy stones which are cobbling America's Road To Hell.

Arnold will sign it and the large bandwagon and huge brass band on the Road To Hell will lumber onward and downward.

[trubluolyguy]

What I get out of this is the homo-perve lobby trying to pave the way for the next homo-perve marriage amendment. And if you try to campaign against them....you are breaking the law!

[Map Kernow]

Hopefully these folks don't understand the term 'voluntary' the same way the IRS folks do...

What do you think? Do you really think the punks pushing this law are the least bit sincere about the waiver being "voluntary"? If you do, you have no acquaintance with so-called "gay rights activists." I've been saying for years that the goals of "gay rights activists" are fundamentally and unalterably incompatible with basic American civil liberties. I take no pleasure in the fact that sock puppets of gay activists like the California Legislature are now vindicating my contention.

[Charles H. (The_r0nin)]

From farther down in the article: This Code of Fair Campaign Practices and a copy of the Elections Code provisions are required to be provided by the Registrar of Voters at the declaration of candidacy, nomination papers, or any other documentation that identifies the intent to be a candidate for public office.

Does this mean that the candidate is required to present this when he/she announces his/her candidacy? Or is this something where the Registrar posts this and says, "So-and-so has not signed this" (thereby implying that the candidate is an evil person)? It seems to me that any time the government specifically regulates what a candidate can or can't say (especially since their posting of this can be seen as an endorsement of the contents), you have a First Amendment issue (isn't that the logic against prayer in schools or city council meetings)...

[Map Kernow]

It seems to me that any time the government specifically regulates what a candidate can or can't say (especially since their posting of this can be seen as an endorsement of the contents), you have a First Amendment issue (isn't that the logic against prayer in schools or city council meetings)...

Good point. Alas, "gay rights" is now the State Religion of California. This law they want Schwarzenegger to sign is in substance a law against blasphemy against their Sodom "religion."

[Frohickey]

Does California governors have the 'pocket veto' power?

[the anti-liberal]

I agree with you, and I suppose my post should have been a rhetorical one.

I'm not a resident of California (born there though), but I'm just north of your border and Oregon has become increasingly disgusting as of late. So my question to you is, is there any meaningful opposition to the so-called 'gay rights' movement in California- legal and political? Is this opposition unified, are their goals clear and unambiguous?

In other words, is there a ghost of a prayer for the once Golden State?
(Or will 'the Golden Shower State' one day become the state moniker?)

[longtermmemmory]

Ahrnold has too many "friends" in hollyweird. Do not underestimate the power of his inlaws to influence him.

[Husker24]

The real reason for this is so the Liberals can use the fact that Republicans didnt sign this wavor, in an election year. They will say Republicans "want to promote hate".

[Map Kernow]

Does California governors have the 'pocket veto' power?

No. It's "fish or cut bait" for Ahhh-nuld.

[the anti-liberal]

These folks are giving us no choice but to hate them. This is but one more self-inflicted nail in their own coffin. The pendulum will swing back, and they'll realize they'd have been better off keeping themselves to themselves.

[montag813]

I hate this Friggin state, time to move to Texas.

Yes it is. It is breathtaking that this bill could ever be presented for a vote in your legislature, let alone pass both houses.

[Map Kernow]

I agree with you, and I suppose my post should have been a rhetorical one.

Then I apologize. I just hate to see people taken in by flim-flam. And this "voluntary" stuff is BS.

So my question to you is, is there any meaningful opposition to the so-called 'gay rights' movement in California- legal and political? Is this opposition unified, are their goals clear and unambiguous?

Sure, there is. We managed to pass less than five years ago Prop. 22, the Defense of Marriage Act, which says, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." That's the reason this law is being proposed: to stifle us.

In other words, is there a ghost of a prayer for the once Golden State?

I really, REALLY wonder about that. A LOT....

[the anti-liberal]

I'm equally fed up with Oregon, but remember that Texas is a border state with an illegal alien problem. So which is more of a threat- the socialist liberal left or 'illegals'?

[the anti-liberal]

Sounds like a fencing match. Perry and thrust.

(On second thought, maybe that's not the best phrase to use on 'gay agenda' thread... They've managed to hijack the good character of the rainbow, and now once innocent phrases are turned on its ear).

[NH Liberty]

"Wonder how they would feel if similar legislation was on the governor's desk for Christians or gun owners or conservatives..."

"Geez. That was the exact thought that popped into my head as well."

Mine, too.

Let's hope AH-nold buys a clue and stays faaar away from this attack on free speech.

[republicofdavis]

http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0851-0900/ab_866_bill_20050218_introduced.html

Text of the bill. It is voluntary and there don't appear to be any teeth if you do "appeal to negative prejudice
based on race, sex, religion, national origin, sexual
orientation, gender identity, physical health
status, or age."

[tomkat]

Does the First Amendment still apply in the USA?

No.
It's been voluntarily relinquished by the gutless majority.

Next question ?

[Map Kernow]

The real reason for this is so the Liberals can use the fact that Republicans didnt sign this wavor, in an election year. They will say Republicans "want to promote hate".

If someone wants truly of his own volition to sign a "pledge," then let him do it. The Democrats are going to claim Republicans "promote hate" no matter what.

What concerns me is the prohibition of the law---the dangerous precept that anyone can "waive" free speech rights and then suffer legal penalties for exercising a right one can voluntarily waive (I guess) but which no earthly power has the right to prohibit under any circumstances, including so-called "voluntary waiver." I take my cue from the Founding Fathers: a government which seeks to take the fundamental rights of the citizenry merits neither allegiance, nor taxes, nor civil peace from the citizenry.