Iraq draft says laws must conform to Islam -text

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[lepton]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Heh. I referenced that one too.

[lepton]

I'm confused. Islam DOES "contradict human rights and democratic principles"

If it does, then that leaves a lot of area that laws are prohibbited in, yes?

[lepton]

If the laws must conform to Islam,

Even in the draft, it doesn't say that.

[lepton]

Isn't representative democracy wonderful to watch :)

Making sausage.

[Rutles4Ever]

Q: What happens when Islam conflicts with a democratic principle?

A: I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Islam wins that showdown.


Whether or not it's Theocracy Lite in 2005, we've allowed them to build a foundation at least partly made up of Sharia. Once the public can be convinced that Sharia is the primary law, it's only a matter of time for majority Shiite clerics to bulldoze their way into government and make the "necessary changes" using the democratic process.

The upshot is this, we went in there and kicked Saddam's ass. We overturned his regime, gave up 1800 lives so far, plus all the civilians who've died trying to make like better for the Iraqis and earn their living. And now this.

It doesn't make sense. We were the victors. But to the defeated have gone the spoils...

[lepton]

NUTS!! The two are in conflict[...]

Hardly. They are both proscriptions of laws. In other words, two additive areas where law cannot be made.

In mathematical and logical terms, it is the sum of [not A] plus [not B].

They may proscribe such a large area as to be excessively restrictive to function, but they do not conflict.

[lepton]

Does the Iraqi constitution mention Christians & non-Muslims as 3/5 of a human being?

Did any Constitution?

[DBeers]

Is this DU or bizarro world where:

CNN is on the top of the list for informative sources...

Wackos that repeatedly bash Republicans and President Bush are to be respected as possesing some measure of insight...

The glass is always half empty in regards to what might be Republican good but always half full in regards to what might be Republican 'bad'...

Sleeper trolls are conservatives...

[redgolum]

It doesn't make sense. We were the victors. But to the defeated have gone the spoils...

The local talk show host said it best. It is like if after Germany surrendered in WWII, we let the new government be run by the same Nazi's we just fought.

[Amelia]

Did people think the Iraqi legislators would dawn powdered wigs and draft on constitution based on Christian ideology like our founding Fathers did?

Apparently so! :-)

[billbears]

Regarding Islam and the constitution: it was agreed upon that no laws that are against the widely agreed upon values of Islam can be issued and no laws that are against the values of democracy and human rights can be issued.

I know, it's all spin from the 'evil' MSM isn't it?

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/

[bnelson44]

The local talk show host said it best. It is like if after Germany surrendered in WWII, we let the new government be run by the same Nazi's we just fought.

Read your history. For a lot of cities, it was.

[KDD]

I had hoped that the Iraqi Constitution would be crafted in the same way the Japanese Constitution was drafted...with a McArthur standing over the draftors with a big stick in his hand.

A secular government should be demanded of Iraq by the U.S. as a term of surrender. Islam will not be appeased.

[texianyankee]

Our own US Constitution......check Article 1, section 2, clause 3......

[swarthyguy]

>>we let the new government be run by the same Nazi's we just fought.

Acutally, that'd be true if we allowed the secular Baathis, both Shia and Sunni back.

This is a new wrinkle, historically one of the most modern oriented Arab nations, a bulwark against the fundies is now going to be a Sharia state.

Yes, that "a" instead of "the" will be no protection against encroaching Islamism, not to mention the reality on the ground - a proto fundy state in the South.

[Amelia]

I had hoped that the Iraqi Constitution would be crafted in the same way the Japanese Constitution was drafted...with a McArthur standing over the draftors with a big stick in his hand.

So why don't we just draft it for them & tell them what they want -- save them all that trouble & agony?

A secular government should be demanded of Iraq by the U.S. as a term of surrender. Islam will not be appeased.

You know the president cannot do that. He's said many times we are not at war with Islam.

[lepton]

Regarding Islam and the constitution: it was agreed upon that no laws that are against the widely agreed upon values of Islam can be issued and no laws that are against the values of democracy and human rights can be issued.

I know, it's all spin from the 'evil' MSM isn't it?

Respectfully, it is a failure in Boolean logic.

What you cite is a bar against certain laws being made. You stated that it was a requirement that certain laws be made. These are opposites.

[lepton]

Our own US Constitution......check Article 1, section 2, clause 3......

Not even close - though I figured that was where you were going.

Our Constitution said that slaves, being not able to express themselves freely would not be fully counted on behalf of their masters.

[texianyankee]

we've come a long way from that wording..maybe the Iraqis didnt start with wording such as that?

[redgolum]

On the local level, it was. This is on the national level