Posted on 08/21/2005 3:31:38 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
Sorry about that, didn't mean to lump you in with A Pole's neo-stalinist gang.
And you are correct, let's look at the results of those "leaders" who believed in the zero sum game(stalin, mao, hitler etc.etc.).
Suppressing wages depends on how fast the economy absorbs that "limitless" supply. The problem with immigration at the moment is not wage suppression with completely unskilled day labor valued at $100/day, but with excessive regulation and tax burdens on business that make it more economical to hire temporary illegals than to hire permanent employees. Increasing the labor supply also creates frictional unemployment, but already immigrant employers are hiring other immigrants, so that takes care of itself over time.
You bring up a very important point. If somehting is not done about illegal immigration, the population of illegals will be so high that they will have the dominant influence on politics. Already, many state and municipal government are capitulating to the demands fromm illegals. Once a critical proprotion of the U.S. population are illigals, a tipping point will be reached where they get to make the laws, not just scream and shout to modify them.
I agree about excessive regulation but thats evading the point. My question is how does a limitless supply of illegal labor 'grow' the economic pie? It doesn't - it HAS to stop at some point.
Some Canadian parents deliberately have their children born in the U.S. and then return to Canada. They want their child to have dual citizenship so the child will have a choice on claiming citizenship when they become adults. In grad school, I met a girl who had TRI-citizenship. Her parents were from Chile, and they had landed immigrant staus in Canada. But her parents travelled to the Soviet Union (they were academics) for some research work and she was born in Moscow. All three contires involved recognized her as a citizen of that country- Canada, Chile and Russia.
The illegal laborers exchange labor for wealth. As their wealth accumulates they employ others and the economy grows.
I like your answer. I, too, am sick of the schtick where the only true Americans are the native Americans. Anyone of European descent is an invader to these whack jobs, even if their family cam across on the Mayflower!
You mean the illegal aliens, with the wealth they accumulate at $5/hr, go into business and hire others, instead of sending every cent they can to Mexico?
If you're talking about the laborers - they send most of their wealth south of the border.
If your referring to their employers - they are apparently pocketing the wealth, thus the steady march of inflation during the current illegal immigrant boom.
Well, it's not perfect, but those illegals spend money here too, mostly buying stuff at the flea markets I go to. Those vendors spend that money. They buy drinks, food and gas along the way. How is this not part of the economy?
I'm not sure how much of their wealth they send south, $10 billion is the figure I have heard. That's about $800 from each of 13 million illegals not counting money sent by legals. I don't think that's a lot.
Are you kidding? Its second only to oil money as Mexico's single largest source of revenue.
At $100 / day for illegal labor, it's not a lot. Some of my friends hire illegals which I strongly disagree with, but they have no choice because their business depends on a flexible supply of labor. Regulations and taxes would kill the business if they hired legally. So at $100 / day, that's 8 days of untaxed wages sent to Mexico. That's not a lot.
Upon reaching this amount, money sent by fellow countrymen living abroad will become the main source of Mexicos foreign exchange, over and above revenue from crude oil exports that is expected to be slightly more than US$16.665 billion in 2004, and far more than income from visiting international tourists who will spend US$10 billion.
And buying coffee, hot dogs, and beer at 7-11(where they pay sales tax).
Ruh roh, 7-11 is based in Texas and part of the GW Bush cabal. Time to close down all the 7-11's.
Like I've said before, these immigration threads are like entering the looking glass sometimes(akin to DU).
You'll forgive this Californian for not appreciating the benefit these folks bring to the economy.
Clearly illegal labor expands the economy. Now we need to fix the problem of labor overregulation and welfare for illegals so that real Americans get their fair shake. I also tend to be a monoculturalist so I think a decrease in immigration would help right now. But it is just wrong to say their labor does nothing to increase the economy.
Yes, welfare for illegals is a problem, but it's caused by stupid liberals.
I'm still waiting for proof of this assertion.
$100 /day minus the $1500 / year sent back to Mexico.
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