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Lessons From our Ancestors About the Countryside(Five Experts Ran a Welsh farm using 17th C methods)
BBC ^ | Friday, 19 August 2005 | Megan Lane

Posted on 08/20/2005 9:03:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 08/20/2005 9:03:39 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Sounds like a hippy commie group to me...


2 posted on 08/20/2005 9:07:44 PM PDT by podkane
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To: nickcarraway

"They scattered herbs on the floor which released scent when trodden on - this drove out flies and other insects,"

Ms. Goodman....two words....FLEAS PLAGUE


3 posted on 08/20/2005 9:11:54 PM PDT by kalee
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To: nickcarraway

Very interesting.


4 posted on 08/20/2005 9:13:18 PM PDT by elli1
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To: podkane
Sounds like a hippy commie group to me...

I'm a Welsh pure blood. Both my mom and dad were pure blood Welsh. My ancestors came over to Carbondale, Pa. to work in the coal mines. Whales has a lot of them.
People who worked in the Welsh coal mines used to spend all day there, and they'd get bored. So, they started singing hymns to pass the time. That's where the Welsh choirs come from.
Be nice to us. The only harm we've ever done is to force you to hear the signing every now and then. LOL. La la la la la!

5 posted on 08/20/2005 9:16:22 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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11- Dying early means you won't have to worry about retirement or social security. Have as many children as possible...that is if your wife doesn't die in childbirth. That way, labor is spread evenly among the surviving children since the infant mortality rate is staggering. Who needs abortion or birth control when you have childhood diseases?


6 posted on 08/20/2005 9:17:47 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell
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To: nickcarraway

BTTT


7 posted on 08/20/2005 9:19:16 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Have as many children as possible...

Oh crap. My dad was one of fifteen children. (I'm outta here!)

8 posted on 08/20/2005 9:20:37 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: kalee

Fleas live in carpets. I know from experience. And they don't live on plain wood floors.


9 posted on 08/20/2005 9:27:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: nickcarraway

Take a walk through a graveyard from these wonderful years gone by and you'll find a different story. People died younger and plagues and famines are easy to spot chronologically. Just a few miles or so from my house, near the Mississippi river, is a graveyard that goes back to well before the Civil War. One plot is especially sobering: a young mother and twins, all died during childbirth.


10 posted on 08/20/2005 9:28:10 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (If you read only one book this year, read "Stolen Valor".)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Once people survived childhood illnesses (barring any plague epidemics) they often lived to ripe old ages. Even then. The idea that hardly anyone lived past 40 is erroneous.


11 posted on 08/20/2005 9:28:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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If half the people lived to 25 and the other half lived to 75, the average age is 50. But people died, ALLOT. You think there wasn't cancer in the 1600s? There was, but people just didn't know about. And men often outlived women, because the number 1 killer of women was childbirth.


12 posted on 08/20/2005 9:34:54 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell
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To: nickcarraway; Calpernia; tiamat; Alouette; OldFriend; Southack

Good post!


Ping


13 posted on 08/20/2005 9:36:51 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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read later bump


14 posted on 08/20/2005 9:39:22 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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ping


15 posted on 08/20/2005 9:43:57 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (As an Engineer, you too can learn to calculate the power of the Dark Side.)
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...and not just fruit and veg. Mutton, for instance, was in abundance in spring, soon after shearing time. This was because a sheep's wool quality plunges after eight years - thus animals of that age were killed after their final fleece was removed.

Where is the logic? Mutton is available all year around. They chose to shear and eat it in the Spring. What a bunch of dumb collectivists.

16 posted on 08/20/2005 10:02:15 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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A. I wonder how long they really did it, and how fast did they run back to "civilization" when the project ended? B. How many times did they cheat and get a little assistance from the outside.

Anyone who's seen the PBS series, Frontier House, knows that life was very hard back then. The people on the series learned very quickly that life consisted of constant work from before-sun-up till sun down. Like washing clothes take 3 days, bathing is rare, clean water is rare, etc. Yeah, this group sounds like an agenda-pushing unit.

17 posted on 08/20/2005 10:03:32 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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The idea that hardly anyone lived past 40 is erroneous.

Blaaat. Wrong. Life expectancy was 45 years of age. Some people lived longer, a lot didn't. Deaths of women in child birth at early ages was common, death of everyone of simple wounds was common because of infection, death from diseases such as diphtheria, small pox, chicken pox, typhoid, typhus, cholera, mumps, measles and many other diseases were common in children and adults. We are talking about the 17th century, which means 1600-1699. Actually this life expectancy of 45 stayed around up into the 20th century.

The ripe old age you are referring to was about 50-60. Anything over that was extrememly rare. History is written and tells the story, it is there for those that want to read it.

18 posted on 08/20/2005 10:14:43 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: Rightfootforward

Or, why the ancestors left. Flogging slaves on Nevis was easier.


19 posted on 08/20/2005 10:18:12 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: concerned about politics

Ha! got ya beat, my mom was one of sixteen kids!


20 posted on 08/20/2005 10:28:18 PM PDT by ghostcat
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