Posted on 08/18/2005 7:47:30 PM PDT by americaprd
My take is that the stalwart military leadership is in a death match with the Perfumed Princes.
Shaffer said the other night that he didn't come out until he was completely sure that he had the backing of his superiors.
That's quite a bluff to call if he's faking it.
But I don't doubt that there are still Clinton loyalists in the Pentagon working against him. Just as there still are at State, Justice, Immigrations, etc.
Pinz
Well put.
My personal experience with the Pentagon types is that they are almost (but I'm sure not quite) all Gung Ho pro-American guys (and gals). If this guy is telling the truth and really has the backing of his superiors that would really be something. Good in the sense that the truth is coming out. But something in the back of my head tells me that we don't need the Pentagon messing around (at least publically) in political stuff. They need to fight wars and that is a very tough and definitely 24/7 job. They need to stick to it.
This is a very interesting story. I hope it has legs.
Shaffer is about to be on Dayside on Fox...
>>>>But something in the back of my head tells me that we don't need the Pentagon messing around (at least publically) in political stuff.>>>>
I agree with your hesitation on this point. We don't want the military blythely going around waging successful coups, even in retrospect. I think and hope that may be why this is coming out so slowly and preferably carefully.
Pinz
Urban legend: Remote Possibility
Oh, thank you. I'm just back from lunch and was going to take Mr. Peach to the garage to try this. LOL
If you were both at home, it would have worked! But, like the snopes article says, most people who test it don't realize the keychain transmitter is still close enough to unlock the car with its own signal. A real test would be to try it while one of you is at home with the spare remote and the other is at the grocery store with the car.
Let me know how it works. I have a whole wall of extra remotes hanging in the breakfast room for the kids' cars. That would save me some extra rescue trips here and there. lol
Pinz
2:10 EDT Rush is talking about the fact that Gorelick was head counsel at the Pentagon before she went to be Reno's deputy.
Wonder what he can find. (I missed the article he's going to use.)
Pinz
2:25, He's gotten himself sidetracked....
Pinz
This will make you sick:
Credit MizSterious:
Harboring bin Laden, but hesitant to sever diplomatic ties with the U.S. completely, the Taliban claimed there was insufficient evidence to convict bin Laden of terrorism, going so far as to say that Saddam Hussein was behind the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam.
The CIA's former Bin Laden desk chief revealed Thursday night that Clinton administration lawyers warned counterterrorism agents that Osama bin Laden had to be kept as comfortable as possible if they captured him during planned raids into Afghanistan. "The lawyers were more concerned with bin Laden`s safety and his comfort than they were with the officers charged with capturing him," former Bin Laden desk chief Michael Scheuer told MSNBC's "Hardball.
"We had to build an ergonomically designed chair to put him in, [for] special comfort in terms of how he was shackled into the chair," Scheuer explained. "They even worried about what kind of tape to gag him with so it wouldn`t irritate his beard."
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1466671/posts
I'll ask my s-i-l techie and see if he corroborates that info.
One possibility is that the pilots that day were actually well trained pilots of governments ostensibly friendly to the US who piloted the planes.
That would help account for the murkiness regarding their id's, and the fact that some individuals with those names are alive. Explained by hijackers using fake id's that day, and perhaps even before that. A cover. Authentic paperwork that masked the actual identity of the operative.
Question is, which countries?
And the smear begins.
Can you explain this a little bit, I think I almost understand what you're typing, but not quite. Thanks.
Pinz
I'd be interested to know.
This is the mess we have with these situations. We're swapping liberty for security, and it depends a lot on how the possibilites are framed. :-/
Pinz
Countries that implemented the 911 Action - a covert operation with full plausible deniability, seconded professional pilots to the AQ Operation, giving them fake covers so to the US authorities, they looked like students or visa overstayers.
In other words, the pilots were already trained and ready before they arrived here.
Paki Saudi AF pilots?
Americans lost a whole lot MORE of their rights during WW I and WW II.
And the Poindexter project was a serious one which involved tracking terrorists, just as Able Danger did. They weren't looking at white bread Americans like you and me, who have nothing at all to do with al Qaeda.
Much like Newsweek and the New York Times couldn't wait to pour water all over the Czech Report-in-progress that Atta met Iraqi Intelligence officer Al-Ani (I think that is the name) in Prague in 2000.
Reported that Czech Intel and Tenet still believe that this was credible intel.
Thanks for the reminder and reminders.
I remembered the Poindexter project as prewar, but I guess there's been precious little prewas time in the Bush II administration.
Pinz
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