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Settlement Vindicates Use of Historical Religious Documents in Classroom
Agape Press ^ | 17 Aug 05 | Jim Brown

Posted on 08/18/2005 8:50:58 AM PDT by xzins

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1 posted on 08/18/2005 8:50:59 AM PDT by xzins
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Good news - bad news story. Just keep the Islamics out!!!


2 posted on 08/18/2005 8:52:58 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands; Buggman; blue-duncan; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; logos; ...

Important info to send to teacher/student/church friends to help combat misconceptions about church/state issues in public schools.


3 posted on 08/18/2005 8:53:45 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: EagleUSA

"Good news - bad news story. Just keep the Islamics out!!!"

That can't be done. You can't discuss some faiths and prohibit the discussion of other faiths.

If one is acceptable, they all are.


4 posted on 08/18/2005 8:55:12 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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I wonder what would happen if an English teacher wanted to teach Paradise Lost? Would there be complaints about the religious content from illiterates and philistines?
5 posted on 08/18/2005 8:55:19 AM PDT by Borges
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To: EagleUSA

I doubt we have too many historical documents from the Founders that relate to Islam.....unless Jefferson got some inspiration from the barbary pirates. :>)


6 posted on 08/18/2005 8:56:07 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

.....unless Jefferson got some inspiration from the barbary pirates. :>)
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True! -- but given the radical leftist nature of academia today, it would not suprise me to see a teacher of young people, that looks like OBL standing and raving the dogma of the Koran...nothing would suprise me in the government school system.


7 posted on 08/18/2005 8:59:06 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Borges

I did have to read Paradise Lost when I was in HS....long, long time ago.

It really shouldn't be any problem. Many districts, though, specifically pick out the books they want English classes to read. I'm not sure if they give teachers any leeway....but if they do, then it would be a violation to arbitrarily censure a teacher who had selected "Paradise Lost."


8 posted on 08/18/2005 8:59:34 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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.......the future of 'Leadership'............

Ney Yorks Harbor....NOW....has the....."Statue of PC-Tolerance"....from Nero's Rome?

/"Liberty" ie. Free Speech......

/gaspel

9 posted on 08/18/2005 9:02:11 AM PDT by maestro
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To: EagleUSA; P-Marlowe; jude24

I could see someone using readings from the Koran to support a history class that happened to be studying the Middle East. There'd have to be some kind of valid connection.

As a parent, I wouldn't mind it as background material in order to understand the culture. This article points out that such material when it is used to "influence belief" would cross the line.

There would be examples in writing or in verbiage that one could point to that would indicate that a teacher was attempting to "influence belief."


10 posted on 08/18/2005 9:02:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

As a parent, I wouldn't mind it as background material in order to understand the culture.
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And also as a parent, and an American, I believe in equal treatment. The Arabs don't Christians an inch -- and we should not give Islamics an inch -- but we are stupid with PC!

Life is a two-way street, not one-way...except for stupid liberals.


11 posted on 08/18/2005 9:07:02 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA; P-Marlowe; jude24; xzins; maestro

Ah, the "religion in the classroom" debate... Just in time for back to school!

Next Monday, the conservative bloggers at www.IMAO.us are doing their "Back to School" audio episode. Intelligent Design, Spanish 101, and politically incorrect/offensive football team names. Should be fun.

You can hear last week's episode (as long as your PC has speakers) at:

http://www.imaopodcast.com/podcast/IMAO-Aug15.mp3

Catch up on all the previous episodes in our Archive:

http://www.imaopodcast.com/archives.html


12 posted on 08/18/2005 9:08:54 AM PDT by IMAO-Podcast (http://www.imaopodcast.com - Freeper Friendly/Work Safe comedy (You don't need an iPod to listen))
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To: xzins

Time was when every educated person read and comprehended the Bible, even if they didn't accept its message. Every educated person still should read it, if only to understand the basis for Western Civilization. Ditto with the Qu'aran.


13 posted on 08/18/2005 9:12:06 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: xzins

This was crazy from the get-go.


14 posted on 08/18/2005 9:13:53 AM PDT by TBP
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To: EagleUSA

I think it would be valuable for my kids to be shown the context of Mohammed leading armies, cutting off heads, sacking and pillaging, etc.

Putting the Koran in context would include the lines about killing infidels through deceit if necessary.

That's just me. Others certainly can disagree.


15 posted on 08/18/2005 9:15:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: jude24

Especially the bible is critical to understanding the history of our own culture. It's hard to imagine a rounded education that isn't conversant with the bible.

Less so for the Koran.


16 posted on 08/18/2005 9:17:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; editor-surveyor; fortheDeclaration; bondserv; PhilDragoo
?....I could see someone using readings from the Koran to support a history class that happened to be studying the Middle East. There'd have to be some kind of valid connection. ...?

Really?

/GAZA

/Israel

/Intelligent Design:...Abraham's ONLY begotten SON of BiBlical-MARRIAGE was,... was....Ishmael or Isaac?

SURE,...Just talk about it in Saudia Arabia and the other... "Statue of PC-Tolerance"....dictatorships.

/Koran's "Liberty"....?

(just 'talk' about 'intelligent design' in U.S.A. public [koran-esQue]....PC-Tolerance classrooms

17 posted on 08/18/2005 9:34:34 AM PDT by maestro
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To: maestro

see #15


18 posted on 08/18/2005 9:36:39 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 08/18/2005 9:40:24 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: highball

This teacher is not distributing papers on "faiths". He is giving them copies of the real documents of our founding fathers. That is why he can do it. Although they mention God, they are real history. I don't see where Islam has anything to do with our history.


20 posted on 08/18/2005 9:45:57 AM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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