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New claims over bungled shooting of Brazilian (London Bombing)
London Times ^ | August 17, 2005

Posted on 08/16/2005 4:20:27 PM PDT by Shermy

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1 posted on 08/16/2005 4:20:29 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
No boom that day.
2 posted on 08/16/2005 4:22:34 PM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zatôichi: I don't see much)
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Terrible case of mistaken identity, if true.

But if they had a REAL terrorist on their hands, they couldn't wait; you have only seconds before the terrorist--a man who has already prepared himself to die--detonates his bomb.
In that case, you have no resort but to kill him at once.


3 posted on 08/16/2005 4:24:30 PM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Shermy
Of course this seems to contadict eye witness reports of that day, that agreed with the versions published then: that he ran even when police identified themselves, and that he was on the floor when shot.

So, who's lying?

5 posted on 08/16/2005 4:26:20 PM PDT by konaice
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"But if they had a REAL terrorist on their hands, they couldn't wait"

The police were first spinning that the man had a thick jacket, creating speculation a Brazilian would think an English summer cold. Untrue.

Said he was running away from them. Untrue.

Etc.


6 posted on 08/16/2005 4:28:17 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
The original cover for the Londonstan Times.


7 posted on 08/16/2005 4:28:44 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: konaice

Its the London Times.


8 posted on 08/16/2005 4:30:09 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: konaice

"So, who's lying?"

The police spokesmen were. Get it?

Smart to get this out now, when things are still tense.


9 posted on 08/16/2005 4:30:18 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

and the source of the leak is impeccable of course?


10 posted on 08/16/2005 4:30:45 PM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Shermy

A darker skinned guy with black hair running away from the cops after terrorist attacks. It doen't take much to side with the cops on this one.


11 posted on 08/16/2005 4:34:18 PM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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>>CCTV footage clearly shows that Senhor de Menezes was wearing a thin denim jacket so he could not be concealing a bomb and nor was he carrying any bag.<,

If a "thin" jacket is not capable of hiding anything, then WHY do TSA screeners pat down T-shirt and cut-off wearing people when the buckles on the sandals set off the beeper?
12 posted on 08/16/2005 4:35:37 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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"A darker skinned guy with black hair running away from the cops"

He wasn't running away from the cops.


13 posted on 08/16/2005 4:37:21 PM PDT by Shermy
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"If a "thin" jacket is not capable of hiding anything, then WHY do TSA screeners pat down T-shirt and cut-off wearing people when the buckles on the sandals set off the beeper?"

The point being the police spokesmen said it was a thick coat which was supposedly unusual for the climate.

Apparently they made up the "vaulting" element of the first story out of whole cloth.


14 posted on 08/16/2005 4:39:24 PM PDT by Shermy
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There was no mistake, the guy ran, the police asked him to stop, he didn't and he died. It's all his fault.

I heard somewhere that the guy was running from undercover cops, i.e., guys that looked like civilians waving guns. I'd run too.

Have you heard this? Or was it something I imagined.

15 posted on 08/16/2005 4:42:17 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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It also emerged that one of the undercover team keeping Senhor de Menezes’s home under surveillance was relieving himself instead of filming the operation, so officers could not tell if they had tracked down one of the alleged bombers.

That sounds about right for how these chain reactions start in tense situations: somebody was "relieving himself." I'm not being sarcastic. When situations get that tense, the most trival thing can set off a deadly event.

16 posted on 08/16/2005 5:04:51 PM PDT by RustysGirl
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To: William Creel
There was no mistake, the guy ran, the police asked him to stop, he didn't and he died. It's all his fault.

The man did not run. Police did not ask him to stop. He had done nothing suspicious up to that point other than be non-white and live in a suspect apartment building.

17 posted on 08/16/2005 5:05:51 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Shermy
I posted this not long after ITV broke the story on this evening's newscast:

Mistakes led to tube shooting

They showed pictures of the man lying dead in the train car. His jacket was totally ordinary. I wear one similar to that daily (it never really gets warm in Scotland). The man had done nothing wrong it seems like.

19 posted on 08/16/2005 5:09:24 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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And do you have any proof of that?

CCTV footage shows the man walking normally into the station. He was even casual enough to pick up a free copy of the Metro newspaper (I read one daily myself as I use public transport). The cameras show he did not vault the turnstile, he used a prepaid ticket. He only ran when he saw the train pulling up.

Think about it. The end result was that the man was innocent. This is not being disputed by anyone. If the man was innocent, this version of events makes a lot more sense than an innocent man running from police, vaulting the turnstile and leaping into the train.

I noted this on another thread but it bears repeating: If you want reality to conform to a preconceived notion, you have lost objectivity. Better to let reality be what it is and if it makes 'your side' look bad, so be it.

Mistakes do happen.

20 posted on 08/16/2005 5:16:09 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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