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The Agenda of Islam: A War Between Civilizations
Naomi Ragen via e-mail | 10 August 2005 (update from 10/2001) | Dr. Moshe Sharon

Posted on 08/15/2005 11:36:48 AM PDT by anotherview

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To: hardworking

Unlike your divorce, we can never get them to settle in writing, nor can we expect they won't break any deals that are entered into the legal record.

(Good luck with your side of things anyway.)


21 posted on 08/15/2005 12:36:21 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: SlowBoat407
islam will never win, but the West could certainly lose, if we do not recognize the danger.

That summarizes my feelings very well. I see too many (most?) Americans and Europeans as very happy to act like ostriches. Just because four years have passed since 9/11 doesn't mean the threat has passed. Arab/Islamic culture takes a very long view of things and is very patient. Americans are very impatient and all too often fail to take in the big picture. I fear Israelis sometimes have learned American culture all too well.

22 posted on 08/15/2005 1:09:09 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: DoraC
Just wait until they come out of the Horse.

Yes, we must forever be vigilant!

23 posted on 08/15/2005 1:09:24 PM PDT by RAY ( Heroes not, the U.S. Supreme Court!!)
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To: BeerForMyHorses
Not to pour cold water on anybody, but doesn't it seem doubtful to trust this guy's take on "what those Moslems are really up to?"

He has a PhD in the subject. I have no problem with people refuting him if they can back up what they say with facts.

I will tell you this: those of us who at least have some ability to understand Arabic find what comes out of the Arab world fits with Dr. Sharon's view of Islam.

24 posted on 08/15/2005 1:11:26 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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26 posted on 08/15/2005 1:13:23 PM PDT by SJackson (I don't think the red-tiled roofs are as sturdy as my asbestos one, Gaza resident)
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later read.


27 posted on 08/15/2005 1:16:13 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: EternalHope

You have it right! After 911, we never got as angry as our fathers did after Pearl Harbor. Our present lack of resolve is our worst enemy.


28 posted on 08/15/2005 1:32:46 PM PDT by RAY ( Heroes not, the U.S. Supreme Court!!)
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To: anotherview

It really is in plain view, isn't it?


29 posted on 08/15/2005 1:48:36 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: anotherview

"The Muslim God is a god of deception, self-gratification, and war, whereas the Christian God is one of truth, self-sacrifice, and peace. Muhammad was a man of violence who bore arms, was wounded in battle, and preached holy war against non-believers. Christ, on the other hand, healed the wounded soldier’s ear who came to arrest him. If you openly disagree with a Christian on religious doctrine, he’ll probably pray for you. If you openly disagree with a Muslim on a matter of faith, he is likely to try and kill you. In Muhammad’s day, converts were gained to Christian Faith by witnessing the constancy with which its confessors cared for others and suffered martyrdom; whereas they were gained to Islam by the spectacle of the readiness of its adherents to inflict death on others. Indeed, for devout Muslims, there seems to be no limitation to act in vile and inhumane ways towards non-believers, jihadists being allowed to enslave, rape, rob, pillage, and kill to advance Islam. In Christianity, by contrast, the direction is to ‘do unto others as you would have them do unto you’. These two groups truly worship very different beings, and represent polar opposites in both belief and practice. Muslims claim to honor all prophets prior to Muhammad, including Jesus, yet conveniently dismiss all previous revelations regarding proper behavior in human relations. Muslims accept without thought that their great ‘seal’ of the prophets, ‘abrogated’ (canceled out) all previous revelation by all earlier prophets. Knowing almost nothing of earlier teachings, Arabs now and then swallow easily all the self-serving ideas the man Muhammad presented, whereas Christians and Jews, with some knowledge of those earlier revelations, were and are unable to accept a philosophy which effectively wipes out all previous understandings of the nature of God and directions on good behavior. Consider the radical change in religious philosophy born by Muhammad, whereas previously God loved all inhabitants of the Earth, then suddenly afterwards only Muslims. How terribly discontenting for the non-believers, for whom the newly reformed Muslim God unexpectedly had no more patience nor love. It completely escapes Muslim theologians how a perfect and fully developed and mature being (God) could suddenly decide that his previous feelings for His children, as revealed to his prophets, were in error and needed abrupt adjustment. Is the universe really that fragile, and can mans faith in God be based on that kind of uncertainty associated with a God whose feelings for his own children are in such flux? Obviously not, the concept fails all logical standards of reason. Muslim terrorists claim to kill people in the name of the one God, while vast numbers tolerate such actions, which surely is the greatest sacrilege and affront to God possible."

-Vernon Richards in "Islam Undressed"
http://www.islamundressed.com/


30 posted on 08/15/2005 1:59:48 PM PDT by GRANGER (We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. - Ann Coulter)
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To: RAY
Our present lack of resolve is our worst enemy.

One scenario is that after sufficient attacks against the US, on our soil, the materialists will clamor for "protection" and "law and order", and we'll end up in a totalitarian dictatorship.

31 posted on 08/15/2005 2:04:06 PM PDT by Mister_Diddy_Wa_Diddy
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To: anotherview
Well Western Civilization is committing harakiri through abortion and birth control. They just have to wait us out.

Western civilization needs workers to support their economic and social system. Available workers migrate then vote. Demographics, economics and democracy have better long-range potential than suicide car bombs.

32 posted on 08/15/2005 2:07:48 PM PDT by ex-snook (Protectionism is Patriotism in both war and trade.)
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To: SJackson

thanks , bookmk ping for after grub


33 posted on 08/15/2005 2:19:57 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: GRANGER

...but how can your post be right? President Bush keeps telling us Islam is the religion of peace.

</dripping sarcasm>


34 posted on 08/15/2005 2:28:19 PM PDT by anotherview ("Ignorance is the choice not to know" -Klaus Schulze)
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To: anotherview
The only way there will be peace, REAL peace, is when islam is OBLITERATED and that filthy cult is consigned to the scrap heap of history. And if Jorge Bush doesn't wake up and grasp that this is NOT a "War Against Terrorism" any more than WWII was a "War Against Blitzkrieg," we're all going to be dead.

Islama delenda est.

35 posted on 08/15/2005 2:37:42 PM PDT by Bombardier (Those who willingly accept dhimmitude are traitors to all humanity.)
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To: anotherview

bump


36 posted on 08/15/2005 2:39:57 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: hardworking

"This is a war that will not end Just like my divorce"

I had one of those, I know how you feel, it will end though. Just hang in there.


37 posted on 08/15/2005 2:44:09 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: anotherview
The alarm bells have been going off for over 30 years and people have got so used to hearing them, they don't hear the bells anymore.

The last alarm went off on 9/11 and most Americans hit snooze and rolled back over and went to sleep. The next alarm will be a bit*h.

Indonesia just released, after five months, the mullah who was sentenced to life for the Bali bombings. What does that say for where Muslim countries stand in this war against terrorism?
38 posted on 08/15/2005 2:59:30 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Bombardier

It looks as though it would need to be defeated, then outlawed.


39 posted on 08/15/2005 3:00:16 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: anotherview

Very informative article. Perhaps someone can explain how the Iranian Islamic Mullahs justify their support of Russia over the Islamic Seperatists in Chechnya ? How is that stance justified within Islam ? There was a recent article posted on freerepublic that described how the Iranian Mullahs were trading Russian Cash and Arms for Oil at the expense of allowing Russia to crush the islamic seperatists in Cechnya. Is that not a violation of the principles of Islam as described within this threads article ?


40 posted on 08/15/2005 7:04:56 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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