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Indianapolis foundry to close Sept. 30, eliminating 881 jobs
The Centre Daily Times ^ | Fri, Aug. 12, 2005 | KEN KUSMER - Associated Press

Posted on 08/13/2005 11:19:39 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To: 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot; LowCountryJoe; Dane; bayourod; Once-Ler

Actually, you're very welcome guys. If everyone agreed with me, oh what a sad world!


201 posted on 08/13/2005 4:14:42 PM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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To: durasell

Nor can we assume they are less smart.


202 posted on 08/13/2005 4:15:21 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: warchild9

Ha!

What is striking about these threads is that they list the problems, but never the solutions. Keeping that in mind, I'd like to throw out some suggestions:

A)An emphasis on highly specialized skills and education to acquire those skills.

B)An emphasis on artisan type manufacturing of high-value stuff.

C)A new model for small businesses that allows for these firms to do business internationally without the high cost of overhead.


203 posted on 08/13/2005 4:18:01 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: MikeinIraq
I am a Systems Administrator and right now my responsibilities are mainly Windows/Solaris desktop support.....

All non revenue producing occupations are expendable these days, and your occupation is right up there among those getting targeted for outsourcing. You might want to think twice about your rosy future because you are just one reorganization away from the unemployment line.

Cheers.

204 posted on 08/13/2005 4:19:46 PM PDT by mac_truck (Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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To: DeeOhGee

They are not less smart. In fact, they're very bright. But they aren't smarter than we are, not by a long ways.

I don't worry about our best and brightest on the world stage. It's the rest of us that may be in trouble.


205 posted on 08/13/2005 4:20:00 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: atlanta67
Fact is trade protectionsim did make WW2 more likely as protectionsims was one of the causes that made the economic downturn of 1929-1930 a great depression.

Nonsense.
The fact is, trade collapsed simply because consumers couldn't afford to pay the higher transportation costs on imported items. Heck, it was even difficult getting domestic production going because many consumers couldn't even afford that.

206 posted on 08/13/2005 4:20:55 PM PDT by Willie Green (Some people march to a different drummer - and some people polka)
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To: durasell
A)An emphasis on highly specialized skills and education to acquire those skills.

B)An emphasis on artisan type manufacturing of high-value stuff.

This works for big businesses, but most American workers (something like 85%) work for small businesses which support the bigger industries. I don't mean just in support in terms accounting, legal, etc., but in manufacturing that supports the big boys; someone's gotta make the machines and gadgets and widgets that make the machines, and this is typically small business, and this is still non-artisan type manufacturing.

C)A new model for small businesses that allows for these firms to do business internationally without the high cost of overhead.

Forget a new model, just get the fed to rollback restrictive regulations, e.g. OSHA, EPA, EOE, etc., and to cut taxes. That would be plenty.

207 posted on 08/13/2005 4:24:27 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: Havoc

"Ah, the supplanting sarcasm in hopes someone will accept it for substance approach.."

No, it's called a joke.


208 posted on 08/13/2005 4:25:06 PM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: Willie Green

"In related news, India was thrilled today to hear that Chrysler is opening a new plant near New Delhi, expected to employ close to 1,000 workers.....AT A FRACTION OF THE COST MR UNION GUY! I don't know if the first part of this is true or not, prolly not as I just pulled it out of thin air. The second part? Happens all the time. Union demands eventually cause companies to close up shop and move elsewhere. I have seen it in my family.


209 posted on 08/13/2005 4:30:27 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (The defense of our nation should begin at the borders...Mr President?.....George?)
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To: DeeOhGee

The manufacturing stuff is going in a hurry. The commodity type items, like paper plates, plastic doo-dads and even computer chips are leaving and not coming back.

Regulations aren't the problem or the entire problem. If you cut all regulations you could maybe increase profits by 20% (number pulled out of the air). That still isn't enough.

The real problem for small business is getting their stuff out on the market worldwide. The internet has done some of this, but not a lot. And most small business owners don't have the money or the expertise to deal internationally.


210 posted on 08/13/2005 4:31:39 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: DeeOhGee

I can tell you where free trade greatly helped a couple of Dayton, OH companies: they now do a computer business directly on-line examining and inspecting pipelines of Latin Am. and East Bloc oil providers. Those jobs did not exist before--and they are cutting-edge, very highly paid jobs.


211 posted on 08/13/2005 4:34:59 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS

"Homorama"



Sounds like a gay theme park.


212 posted on 08/13/2005 4:35:13 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (The defense of our nation should begin at the borders...Mr President?.....George?)
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To: durasell
most small business owners don't have the money or the expertise to deal internationally

A 20% increase in revenues would help with this...

213 posted on 08/13/2005 4:35:54 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: LS

cool...


214 posted on 08/13/2005 4:38:25 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: trubluolyguy

Hahaha, Actually I misspelled it. It's "Home-arama." But you know, we might think about trade-marking that name!


215 posted on 08/13/2005 4:39:13 PM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: DeeOhGee

Most small business owners I know would pocket most of the 20% the first year, buy a couple new computers and maybe hire one or two more temps. It wouldn't serve to really expand their businesses.

What the small manufacturer really needs is someone to guide him into new markets in Europe and Asia. He needs to be able to learn to do deals for distribution in those countries, handle shipping at a reasonable cost and deal with things like promotion, tarriffs, liability, etc. etc. etc.

I've given this some thought and it seems that this is something that trade associations can undertake and even make some profit from...




216 posted on 08/13/2005 4:41:10 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Actually a lot of small businesses lose money the first few years; mine did, although we are going to do REAL well this year, enough to offset our retained losses.

How a small business owner handles profits is up to him of course, but it should be within the constraints of his business plan; if doing business in international waters was a component of a sound business plan, and if he is adhering to his plan, he should have no problems.

I would point out that investing in resources IS growth, and that no small business owner should delude himself into thinking he is going to get rich overnight.

217 posted on 08/13/2005 4:46:36 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: DeeOhGee

My point is that most small business owners don't include international markets in their business plan because they don't have the expertise or can't afford it or both.

Take a typical guy making high end wood tables. He's got maybe a half dozen people working for him making the tables. Perhaps he has forty or fifty stores in the U.S. he deals with and puts ads in a couple of magazines, like the New Yorker for direct sales.

So, how does this guy expand into the dozens of high end shops springing up in China? How does he ship the stuff there? What kind tariffs is he dealing with? How do the banks work? Letters of credit? Exchange rates. Labeling. Promotional material. All very basic stuff, but requiring different types of expertise.


218 posted on 08/13/2005 4:52:55 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

I see your point and it goes back to a sound business plan and due diligence. He should do the research if he even CAN make money selling overseas. If shipping, tariffs, customs, etc. make it non-profitable, he shouldn't do it. But there are trade organizations, and (I shudder to say this) trade atttorneys that can help determine how/if to do this.


219 posted on 08/13/2005 4:56:02 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: RightWhale

"Foundry operation is a skill acquired by doing. This is not the kind of thing the country should allow to disappear since the foundry industry is far from dead worldwide."

No, it's a "buggy whip" industry. These pathetic 19th century Americans will have to be re-trained to do... something. I can't believe all the smugness going on here about our countrymen losing their jobs. Even if they are EVIL union workers.


220 posted on 08/13/2005 4:56:28 PM PDT by dljordan
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