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World's largest solar installation to use Stirling engine technology
Free Energy News ^ | Aug 05 | Sterling D. Allan

Posted on 08/13/2005 3:42:35 AM PDT by Arkie2

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To: Arkie2

he was also developing this really cool device for 3rd world nations that would incorporate a sterling into a thing that would purify water and generate power enought to power a small well pump. You could run it on any fuel, alcohol, cow dung, sticks.....


61 posted on 08/13/2005 9:02:50 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Arkie2
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62 posted on 08/13/2005 9:09:09 AM PDT by Fog Nozzle
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To: Arkie2
There is no particular limit on horsepower - just make them bigger. The rpm doesn't matter at all - that's what gearboxes are for.

The place that the internal combustion engine beats the Sterling is in horsepower per pound. The place that the Sterling beats the internal combustion is in efficiency.

In other words, the Sterling can get more horsepower out of a given amount of fuel, but it takes a bigger engine to do it.

There is a simple reason for this difference. The internal combustion uses the explosion of fuel, right at the point that the cylinder is starting to go back down, to maximize the heating (and expansion) of the gases. Normally, when you expand gases, they cool, which works against the heating you want to get the gas to continue to expand the combustion chamber rapidly on the power stroke. The internal combustion engine uses exploding petro to keep the expanding gases hot. This gets more power per pound of engine, but is less efficient.

The Sterling engine uses no chemical explosions. It is an efficient mechanism to convert any available temperature difference into a mechanical rotary motion. It is very useful on submarines, where you have hot nuclear fuel (or steam derived therefrom) on one side, and cold ocean on the other side. It is very useful on the solar project described in this post, where you've got heat from concentrated solar rays on one side, and the relative cool of ambient air on the other side. In these example applications, the increased weight penalty per horsepower of the engine is not a significant problem.

The Sterling engine moves a closed gas between the hot side and the cool side. When on the cool side, the gas contracts pulling a piston one way. When on the hot side, the gas expands, pushing a piston the other way. A flywheel is necessary to keep the action moving, from one stage to the next.

63 posted on 08/13/2005 9:17:43 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Arkie2

Not one acre for ANWR drilling but 4500 acres for some sun depriving monster in the California desert. Where are the eco freaks who speak for the poor desert wildlife being deprived of their homes.


64 posted on 08/13/2005 9:19:49 AM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: Balding_Eagle
For the internal combustion engines you and I are more familiar with, each cylinder is doing the same sort of cycle as the other, and keeping the cylinders maximally out of phase with each other smooths the engine.

For the Sterling engine, the second cylinder is just going along for the ride, to help move the gases between the hot and cold sides of the main cylinder at the right time. That second cylinder is producing no power on its own. It must be 90 degrees off the primary cylinder, because that is what is needed to move the gases at the right time. Since it is not producing any power on its own, its phase makes no difference to how smooth the power is.

65 posted on 08/13/2005 9:22:08 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Dear PythonicCow,

Thanks for a very lucid explanation.


sitetest


66 posted on 08/13/2005 9:39:25 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: bobbdobbs

The efficiency gap is closing quickly, new materials, composite, techniques, use of solar power, etc... This article states they are are getting 45 Kilowatts of power from an engine that will fit inside of a 55 barrel drum.

This power is generated everytime the sun shines without any fuel source, how can you complain? I often wonder how many advancements would have been made if the research and development of this engine was spread out over those 111 years.


67 posted on 08/13/2005 9:45:46 AM PDT by BushCountry (They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong.)
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To: sitetest

You're welcome.


68 posted on 08/13/2005 9:51:44 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Arkie2
(Each dish generates 25 kilowatts.)

Is 25 KW enough to power a single home? Could one just have one of these things at their own home?

69 posted on 08/13/2005 9:56:36 AM PDT by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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Dear krb,

Twenty-five kilowatts is enough to power my house (fairly new, pretty big, pretty good number of gadgets, electric heat pump) as long as I don't turn everything on all at once. ;-)

I was looking into a whole-house standby generator at around 15KW, propane or natural gas-powered. With 15KW, I could turn on most of my stuff, but I'd have to be a little careful. With 25KW, I could pretty much turn on everything in the house and leave it all on, it's just the peak requirements if I flipped all the switches all at once.

That being said, I'm not sure where I live I'd get 25KW from a dish this size even on a sunny summer day - just too far north. And at night and on cloudy days...

Still, if the price were right, it'd put a big dent in my electrical bill.


sitetest


70 posted on 08/13/2005 10:03:20 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

We used to set one 25 KVA pot/5 houses. LOL. I'm old...


71 posted on 08/13/2005 10:14:31 AM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: Arkie2
There's a lot of virtually useless land in the Southwest that could be profitably put to work in this manner. It does eat up a lot of real estate for these type installations but there's plenty of it to go around and it has plenty of sunshine. It's called desert.

Acres and acres of arid scrubland along I-40 in New Mexico alone. Millions more, no doubt, in California and Nevada (I saw some of it last month). There's miles of flat sand with only I-15 and a railroad track going through it, adjacent to Primm, NV. There are also the Bonneville Salt Flats in UT. We have tons of room for solar, wind, and any other renewable energy source.

I can't wait for the greens to start their objections though. Surely there's some toad or lizard that will be affected by all those solar power arrays.

As far as the greenies are concerned, tell them to deal with it, or move to Europe. Put the endangered species in a frickin' zoo, baby!

72 posted on 08/13/2005 10:19:08 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, Cindy Sheehan, grow up!)
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To: sitetest

I bet with a 25KW stirling solar generator and a good demand control unit in your house you could do it...


73 posted on 08/13/2005 10:25:57 AM PDT by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: patton

Dear patton,

"LOL. I'm old..."

Yeah, me too. ;-)

Our first house had been UPGRADED from, I think, a 60-amp fusebox to a 100-amp fuse box. My current house has TWO circuit breaker boxes. I'm not expert at this stuff, but it seems that each is 400 amps??

Wow.


sitetest


74 posted on 08/13/2005 10:40:41 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: krb

Dear krb,

You're probably right!

I have enough roof area, between the house and the detached garage, and the sheds, for six or eight of these things. I could produce 100KW or more, and store what I don't use during daylight hours in batteries.

I could convert one of the sheds to store the batteries required, and we'd be a net PRODUCER of energy. BGE (local utility) would send ME monthly checks!

Now, all I need is the six figures (or however much it would cost) to buy it all and get it installed. Anyone wanna give me a grant?? LOL.


sitetest


75 posted on 08/13/2005 10:43:27 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Oatka
You got that right. Look at the revolution in combines, mechanical cotton pickers and hay balers since the Fifties. About the same time the last Brasero programs ended.

I grew up in a time of dozens of migrant workers in the fields to harvast corn, cotton, and other row crops. Now I sit on my deck and watch as two people harvest a field in 1/10th the time it used to take dozens.

76 posted on 08/13/2005 11:15:06 AM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!avigable waters)
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To: Oatka
You got that right. Look at the revolution in combines, mechanical cotton pickers and hay balers since the Fifties. About the same time the last Brasero programs ended.

I grew up in a time of dozens of migrant workers in the fields to harvast corn, cotton, and other row crops. Now I sit on my deck and watch as two people harvest a field in 1/10th the time it used to take dozens.

77 posted on 08/13/2005 11:16:19 AM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!avigable waters)
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To: rock58seg
Sorry for the double post. first time I looked there was no text.?????
78 posted on 08/13/2005 11:17:30 AM PDT by rock58seg (RINO"s make the Republicans MINO"s (Majority In Name Only)!avigable waters)
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To: Joe Miner

They will be along shortly. Trust me.


79 posted on 08/13/2005 11:53:42 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: rock58seg

Sometimes that happens even if you hit refresh. I always assume it's been posted. ;^)


80 posted on 08/13/2005 11:58:19 AM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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