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IS TAIWAN A POSSESSION OF THE UNITED STATES?
To the Point News ^ | 8/11/05 | Jack Wheeler

Posted on 08/12/2005 8:09:06 PM PDT by abigail2

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Boy this is news to me!
1 posted on 08/12/2005 8:09:06 PM PDT by abigail2
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To: fabian; NewDestiny; rebuildus; janetgreen; AnnaZ; ALOHA RONNIE; HangFire
There's going to be a hot debate in Congress as it realizes it's been handed a sizzling hot potato. America owns Taiwan. What is it going to do with it? Is this news to everyone else too?
2 posted on 08/12/2005 8:11:14 PM PDT by abigail2 ('The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it.' George Bush Inaugural Speech '05)
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To: pganini

Ping!


3 posted on 08/12/2005 8:11:56 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: abigail2
Sort of a surprise, but not totally. America has been interested in the Pacific islands from the Sandwich Islands to Asia since before the Civil War. If some of the islands are de facto territories, so be it.
4 posted on 08/12/2005 8:14:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: abigail2
"Further, as Taiwan is a U.S. territorial possession, the United States government is legally obliged to defend it. "

we are already legally required to defend them.
5 posted on 08/12/2005 8:16:04 PM PDT by minus_273
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To: CarrotAndStick; fabian; Alamo-Girl; HangFire; ALOHA RONNIE; feinswinesuksass; DoughtyOne; ...

Chiang Ki Ping...


6 posted on 08/12/2005 8:16:14 PM PDT by abigail2 ('The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it.' George Bush Inaugural Speech '05)
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To: abigail2
Well, I don't believe we actually own Taiwan at all. But I know this, many, many in the ROC would welcome becoming our 51st state. That would poke a stick in the ChiComms eye now wouldn't it? If they freely voted to enter the UNion and then oif a Republican congress ratified such a treaty.

Not going to happen...but I know a lot of people there would welcome it.

7 posted on 08/12/2005 8:17:34 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: minus_273
we are already legally required to defend them.

How so?

8 posted on 08/12/2005 8:17:54 PM PDT by abigail2 ('The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it.' George Bush Inaugural Speech '05)
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To: abigail2

Hee-hee-hee...............


9 posted on 08/12/2005 8:19:16 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: Jeff Head

new flag: 50 stars and a chinese gong.


10 posted on 08/12/2005 8:19:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: abigail2

Very interesting. The US has much to lose should Taiwan come under the rule of the PRC.


11 posted on 08/12/2005 8:20:08 PM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: abigail2

Articles that describe this have been posted at this forum forever now, and nobody is gullible enough to believe it. Besides, it requires a US military government for this to work, and we haven't had a military government since??????

If you read the Taiwan Relations Act carefully, it specifically addresses ROC.


12 posted on 08/12/2005 8:20:39 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: Jeff Head

We don't recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state and we don't have an embassy there. Must be a territory, except there would be a governor of some kind.


13 posted on 08/12/2005 8:20:42 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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This means that the USMG remained the sovereign legal authority in Taiwan. Article 4(b) of the treaty states this in recognizing the authority of "the United States Military Government in any of the areas referred to in Articles 2 and 3," as does Article 23(a) recognizing "the United States of America as the principal occupying Power." This treaty is still in effect. In the opinion of a number of scholars of international law, Taiwan is neither a province of China over which the PRC has legitimate sovereignty, nor is Taiwan a sovereign state of itself. It is, rather, an overseas territory of the U.S.

I wonder if the Taiwanese know this?

14 posted on 08/12/2005 8:21:11 PM PDT by abigail2 ('The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it.' George Bush Inaugural Speech '05)
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To: Fishing-guy

That's true, we haven't kept the homestead up. Near abandonment of the claim.


15 posted on 08/12/2005 8:22:00 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: infidel29

self ping to read more in depth tomorrow.


16 posted on 08/12/2005 8:22:02 PM PDT by infidel29 ("It is only the warlike power of a civilized people that can give peace to the world."- T. Roosevelt)
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To: atomicpossum

LOL


17 posted on 08/12/2005 8:23:44 PM PDT by abigail2 ('The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it.' George Bush Inaugural Speech '05)
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To: abigail2
There are several routes to the conclusion that Formosa belongs to the US. One is that the US has a treaty with Spain making it the successor state to Spain in the Pacific. Spain, in turn, is the successor state to Portugal in many other treaties also affecting rights in the Pacific, and Portugal OWNED Formosa ~ that's why it's called Formosa in fact!

That there is even any question of our ownership is what surprises me!

18 posted on 08/12/2005 8:23:54 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Fishing-guy

What does it say about the Republic of China?


19 posted on 08/12/2005 8:24:56 PM PDT by abigail2 ('The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it.' George Bush Inaugural Speech '05)
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To: abigail2

"There's going to be a hot debate in Congress as it realizes it's been handed a sizzling hot potato."

I can hear the feathers growing on the legs of congresscritters as I type this. Buk, buk, buk, buk.....


20 posted on 08/12/2005 8:25:11 PM PDT by dljordan
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