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DUI law ruled unconstitutional
TimesDispatch.com ^ | today | Matthew Bakarat

Posted on 08/12/2005 11:36:01 AM PDT by Rodney King

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To: Sandy
I just looked up the current law. It does appear that California has exactly the type of law that Virginia will soon have wherein it is simply unlawful to have a .08 BAC while driving. No consideration is made as to actual impariment.

Apparently once the prosecution presents the evidence that the defendant had a .08 BAC, the only defense in California is that the test was not accurate. Evidence of actual impairment is irrelevant. This Virgina judge has made it highly likely that the Virginia Legislature will adopt the California model.

Thank you Judge O'Flarety.

241 posted on 08/13/2005 1:57:17 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
The main reason for DUI crackdowns is not to generate income, but to get the word out that drinking and driving will not be tolerated. If I were police chief, I would insist that my officers write as many DUI's as they could.

BS. I told you in my post that the police departments were told that their funding was going to be based on the number of DWI tickets written.

For 6 months it was a witch hunt. I was pulled over for failture to signal exiting a deserted interstate. I had had one drink 3 hours earlier. I admitted that and the trooper put me through every test he had in his book and still couldn't arrest me. I wasn't a danger to myself or anyone else, but they needed the arrests and I hadn't signaled. If the 'witch hunt' wasn't on, he would never have pulled me over.

I have a friend who was the designated driver and was pulled over. A person in the back seat had an open beer. They had crossed into a 'no open container' jurisdiction and he lost his license for 6 months. Utter crap.

242 posted on 08/13/2005 1:58:31 PM PDT by SCALEMAN (Completely Useless Before September)
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To: P-Marlowe

There are about 175 million people here of driving age and roughly 45,000 fatal wrecks/year.

This means that any driver has about a 1:10,000 lifetime chance of dying due to a fatal car crash.

Your one statistic allowing a 15,500 increase in risk seems to be a bit overstated.


243 posted on 08/13/2005 1:58:49 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Pardon me, you are not reinforcing your argument by using the term, "recklessly" as much as you are accepting the notion of intent which is the crux of the legality with presumption of intoxication and impairment laws.

You were doing much better with strict prohibition in your earlier posts.


244 posted on 08/13/2005 2:05:57 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Old Professer
I just scanned your personal info page; you're one of those bible-thumping, acid-core abstentionists.

Really? Where does it say that?

It is true that I am a relative abstentionist. I do not require it of others. Drinking is not a sin in my book. Drinking and driving however, is not something I do not tolerate too well. My religious beliefs do not enter into that intolerance.

While I am not an abstentiouist, What I do demand, however, is that people who are armed with 2 ton deadly projectiles need to be responsible enough to not point those weapons at me or my family right after they finish their second or third glass of wine. Driving is dangerous enough without adding alcohol to the fuel tanks of the drivers. The single most deadly instrument of destruction in the history of the country is the automobile. Allowing people to drink before they operate that piece of machinery is a recipe for disaster.

245 posted on 08/13/2005 2:06:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

If everyone was impaired, at least we would have a level playing field.


246 posted on 08/13/2005 2:06:57 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: Old Professer
If everyone was impaired, at least we would have a level playing field.

Would you let your children play on that field? Be honest.

247 posted on 08/13/2005 2:09:39 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

This is the third time in these last few posts that you have made insulting remarks to sandy; do you think that is called for?


248 posted on 08/13/2005 2:10:36 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: P-Marlowe

4.


249 posted on 08/13/2005 2:11:04 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Well if the judge's decision is upheld, anyone caught with a BAC of .08 or higher will not even have the opportunity to prove he was not impaired. He will be convicted of being at .08. Which would you prefer? A system that presumes that a person is impaired at .08 or higher with an opportunity to prove otherwise, or a system in which the person who tests out at .08 is guilty of a crime unless he can prove his blood was not actually higher than .08

In my state this is already a fact. If you blow at .08 or higher you are going to lose your license for at least 90 days, be required to post SR22 (proof of insurance) attend Victims Impact Panel, and go through SATOP. No trial. Just a hearing and you have no chance in the hearing unless you can prove the officer had 'no probable cause'. The administrative hearings are decided in favor of the state in 99.99% of the time.

End result, you are guilty with no trial. You can appeal the judgment but you will lose your license for the mean time until it comes up on the docket and once again you are guilty and must prove your innocence.

250 posted on 08/13/2005 2:11:37 PM PDT by SCALEMAN (Completely Useless Before September)
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To: Old Professer
Your one statistic allowing a 15,500 increase in risk seems to be a bit overstated.

How many miles would you say a typical driver with a .35 BAC could statistically drive before he crashed?

251 posted on 08/13/2005 2:12:45 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Sandy
The ability of the legal mind to make up "legalise" has always amazed me.

Do you suppose the law schools intentionally encourage ways to circumvent our Constitution? Its almost as if most judicial officals immediately 'forget' vowing to support the Law of the Land.
252 posted on 08/13/2005 2:19:59 PM PDT by musanon
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To: P-Marlowe
Which would you prefer? A system that presumes that a person is impaired at .08 or higher with an opportunity to prove otherwise, or a system in which the person who tests out at .08 is guilty of a crime unless he can prove his blood was not actually higher than .08?

Neither. I think both options suck. I prefer to punish people for driving poorly. A system which finds some impaired drivers more equal than others, assuming impairment in some circumstances while not giving a damn about it in *most* circumstances, is to me morally revolting. Granting a person the "privilege" of proving his legal innocence is in no way a remedy.

253 posted on 08/13/2005 2:27:45 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: P-Marlowe

Your pulpit is not guaranteed.


254 posted on 08/13/2005 2:27:52 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: P-Marlowe

All the way to the cemetery.


255 posted on 08/13/2005 2:28:51 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: P-Marlowe
Driving is dangerous enough without adding alcohol to the fuel tanks of the drivers.

I love rhetoric. Hope the farm crowd doesn't find you advocating against gasahol.

256 posted on 08/13/2005 2:34:52 PM PDT by SCALEMAN (Completely Useless Before September)
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To: Old Professer; Sandy
This is the third time in these last few posts that you have made insulting remarks to sandy; do you think that is called for?

I think we kissed and made up already.

257 posted on 08/13/2005 2:35:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Old Professer

Hey, I thought #180 was pretty funny.


258 posted on 08/13/2005 2:36:51 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: SCALEMAN
I love rhetoric. Hope the farm crowd doesn't find you advocating against gasahol.

I can't think of a more appropriate use for it. You want the gas tanked, not the driver.

259 posted on 08/13/2005 2:37:23 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: houeto

Geez, it is hard to understand. It's a good thing I was just typing and not driving or ruling from the bench!


260 posted on 08/13/2005 2:37:24 PM PDT by Tacis ("Democrats - The Party of Traitors, Treachery and Treason!")
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