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Man killed by Sunrise police in drug raid had 2 ounces of marijuana
http://www.newsday.com/ ^ | August 10, 2005 | Brian Haas & Kevin Smith

Posted on 08/11/2005 1:12:44 PM PDT by freepatriot32

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To: jonascord
LA, Cincinnati, Detroit, NY NY. There is four
321 posted on 08/11/2005 5:53:12 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: Antonello

Howabout some videotape evidence? If it's good enough for a traffic stop, surely it's good enough for a military-style raid on a citizen's home.


322 posted on 08/11/2005 5:53:34 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Free Michael Graham!)
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To: 68 grunt
I'm convinced that we are as infiltrated as is possible.

It really scares me to think that some of these people are serious and think the police should be militarized and kicking in doors over 2 ounces of marijuana. Don't they see where the existence of a militarized police and lack of property rights leads??

I don't know that we are infiltrated - I think these people are SERIOUS and seriously stupid. There ought to be a test on the Constitution before they are allowed to post.

These fools come on here, pretend to be the most cartoonish of conservatives, the most embarrassing and narrow-minded caricature of conservatives, and they do it to force reasonable people from our ranks.

They are repulsive and represent the "Republicans" that the media attempts to portrays all Republicans as. I take pains to explain that I am a Constitutional Conservative instead of just saying I am conservative. This site gets worse everyday since we seem to have lost our anchor in the values of the Constitution sometime between the 2000 election and 9/11.

My wife stopped posting over the idiocy

323 posted on 08/11/2005 5:54:25 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: 7thOF7th

LA, Cincinnati, Detroit, NY NY. There ARE four
My English is failing me! Sorry about that.


324 posted on 08/11/2005 5:54:53 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: G32
considering he was a drug dealer felon

He wasn't a felon. No way he'd have a CCW permit if that were true.

325 posted on 08/11/2005 5:57:51 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: eastforker
It seems like when some one higher up in LE makes a certain determination about a citizen he is from there foreward doomed, like he is branded, doomed for destruction.

No, no, no! The pot did it!

326 posted on 08/11/2005 5:58:48 PM PDT by tacticalogic (Say goodnight, Grace.)
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To: 7thOF7th
If this was in the textbook, then the textbook should be thrown out. A morning-surprise assault is not the proper way to serve a warrant for arrest. The government may not deprive a citizen of life without due process of law (Amendment 5 - "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; ....", repeated almost word for word in Amendment 14 "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."). No textbook overrides this text.
327 posted on 08/11/2005 6:00:59 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Free Michael Graham!)
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To: tacticalogic

Let me say this to you and others on this thread. I know for fact that when LE leadership makes a decision they let it be known that mr. or ms. needs to go down the gloves come off, anything and everything goes. Real or manufactured, evidence will be provided, thats the way it realy is.Management says, " make this problem go away" The subordinates take it upon them selves to "find a way", They get good marks for this.


328 posted on 08/11/2005 6:06:19 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: 7thOF7th
What an elitist attitude! You come across as a narrow-minded narcissist.

No it is realistic. The POWERS you are readily ceding to the police to enter residences over minor BS may one day be used in a manner that you don't like by someone like Janet Reno. She or he may have "different" ideas of what constitutes a "drug dealer" or "terrorist" or whatever. It is inevitable that a ridiculous socialist administration will get in. You obviously don't remember the 90's and the blatant abuses of Janet Reno, the HRT and the ATF.

The concept of your house and property being inviolate is bedrock to a free society.

You will have willingly sold your childrens freedoms away in total ignorance.

329 posted on 08/11/2005 6:10:41 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: t_skoz
The main point is that it's a sad commentary on our wonderful experiment in Liberty, when a man is in a position where he is shot 10 times for possessing, even with intent to sell, 2 ounces of dried plant material.

Exactly. I really wish the people who love to control others either through socialism or outlawing things should go back to wherever them or their families came from. America was founded to be one place on earth where adults make decisions for themselves. If a person doesn't want to live in that type of a nation head for North Korea or something!

330 posted on 08/11/2005 6:11:18 PM PDT by ran15
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To: eastforker
They get good marks for this.

Well, as it has been pointed out, "Good is good, and bad is bad". If they get good marks, it must be good. That's all you need to, or have any business wanting to know.

331 posted on 08/11/2005 6:14:45 PM PDT by tacticalogic (Say goodnight, Grace.)
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To: freepatriot32
The concealed weapons permit, was a "major factor" in the department's decision to involve the SWAT team

Seems to me that if the cops think a person might have firearms in the house, that'd be all the more reason to *not* go busting in the way they did.

332 posted on 08/11/2005 6:15:13 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: aynrandfreak
I'm for legalization, but he would not have been shot had he not tried to get his gun when the cops ordered him to freeze.

Cops lie; especially when they screw up this big.

333 posted on 08/11/2005 6:19:16 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: 68 grunt

"You can get two ounces for $120. You can also get two ounces for $1200."

The difference is that you don't have to actually smoke the $1200 stuff to catch a buzz...

It's a sad commentary that so many label and automatically condemn this guy as a dealer. The argument needs to be had about the fact that he wouldn't be a 'dealer' if there wasn't a profit motive for him to do so. Why aren't we questioning the government that we've created that has the power and authority to violate a persons' home and kill them? For what? What justice has been served by removing this person from society, without so much as a trial? Is it really such wise usage of manpower and resources when we are being overrun by illegal aliens as well as being a nation at war? The math doesn't add up.
Why the hell weren't the locals busting down Mohammed Atta's door and killing him when Op Able Danger identified him? Our prorities a 180 degrees out of phase with what this nation is based upon. As I said, it's a sad commentary.....


334 posted on 08/11/2005 6:21:27 PM PDT by chief_bigfoot ("isn't THAT amazing?" - Ron Popiel)
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To: tacticalogic

Several years ago I was targeted for a no knock raid, over a non existent dog bite. Found out about it the day before, filed an arrest bond and got it squashed. Why? Cuz a local HPD twat wad female officer got offended when I told her to FO.


335 posted on 08/11/2005 6:23:49 PM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: 7thOF7th
CITE, not cities. Bag of hammers, meet 7thOF7th...

cite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (st) transitive verb. cit·ed, cit·ing, cites

1.To quote as an authority or example.

2.To mention or bring forward as support, illustration, or proof: "cited several instances of insubordinate behavior."

And they let you actually carry a gun WITH bullets?

OK, now that we are caught up, any cases you can quote of murder or manslaughter? I have LOTS of examples of trigger happy and suspicious shoots by cops, none of any cops being punished for them. Perhaps you can provide some.

336 posted on 08/11/2005 6:24:29 PM PDT by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: 7thOF7th
How do you think they got a judge to sign a warrant; because he was accused of a crime!

Do you know how easy it is to get a judge to sign a warrant?

337 posted on 08/11/2005 6:26:31 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Sandy

lol...


338 posted on 08/11/2005 6:29:10 PM PDT by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again just to make sure...)
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To: ThanhPhero

The ziplocks they use are not the same as the zip drug dealers use are those little ones.


339 posted on 08/11/2005 6:31:27 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: HairOfTheDog
2 ounces is a LOT of pot.

There is probably 5,000 pounds being brought in across our borders daily by illegals.

340 posted on 08/11/2005 6:32:03 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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