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Faith-Based Evolution (a meteorologist looks at ID and "evolutionism")
Tech Central Station ^ | 08/08/2005 | Roy W. Spencer

Posted on 08/09/2005 4:42:44 AM PDT by Nicholas Conradin

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To: Tribune7
Wonder how he feels about global warming? :-)

Actually, he's one of the major global warming skeptics. Problem is, this article is so bad it makes me worried that his anti-global-warming articles (although they are closer to his field) are equally loopy.

41 posted on 08/09/2005 8:47:38 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: frgoff
So what? ID isn't about the Judeo-Christian God, despite desperate Christian Creationist attempts to make it so.

When the people over at the Discovery Institute talk about the "Intelligence" in ID, they aren't talking about Zeus.

42 posted on 08/09/2005 8:48:02 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Twenty years ago, as a PhD scientist, I intensely studied the evolution versus intelligent design controversy for about two years.

This would be a little tough since intelligent design didn't appear until the '90's.

At least he doesn't believe in global warming.

43 posted on 08/09/2005 8:54:36 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Just gotta give you props for an excellent post.


44 posted on 08/09/2005 9:17:25 AM PDT by Scourge of God (What goes here?)
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To: Tribune7
Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Wonder how he feels about global warming? :-)

I had exactly the same thought! :-)

45 posted on 08/09/2005 9:31:46 AM PDT by Nicholas Conradin (If you are not disquieted by "One nation under God," try "One nation under Allah.")
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To: Buggman; frgoff; Grig; Blueflag

Thank you for demonstrating that you don't understand ID in the least.

I understand ID very well. EITHER A) ID'er = God OR B) ID'er = Intelligent Aliens. Pick'em.

46 posted on 08/09/2005 12:39:28 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Fester Chugabrew
God does not need the help of science. The reverse is true, simply because science could not take place in the first place...

We agree on this much at least.

47 posted on 08/09/2005 12:41:34 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ml1954; frgoff; Grig; Blueflag

I personally go with A, but that's beside the point. You claimed that ID, as a theory, claims that every time a new species pops up, the Designer created it. Not so. There are certainly IDers who believe that, but that's not what the theory itself claims. Ergo, you don't know what you're talking about.


48 posted on 08/09/2005 12:42:09 PM PDT by Buggman (Baruch ata Adonai Elohanu, Mehlech ha Olam, asher nathan lanu et derech ha y’shua b’Mashiach Yeshua.)
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To: Buggman

You claimed that ID, as a theory, claims that every time a new species pops up, the Designer created it.

So enlighten me. How does the ID "theory" explain how new species "pop up"?

49 posted on 08/09/2005 12:45:05 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: PatrickHenry

Not sure it's worth it, but Ping.


50 posted on 08/09/2005 12:49:42 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Right Wing Professor
Actually, he's one of the major global warming skeptics. Problem is, this article is so bad it makes me worried that his anti-global-warming articles (although they are closer to his field) are equally loopy.

That's what I've been thinking. If this is the go-to guy for global warming criticism, I'm investing inland.

51 posted on 08/09/2005 12:51:06 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: ml1954
Not sure it's worth it, but Ping.

Definitely not worth it. But thanks for pinging.

52 posted on 08/09/2005 12:58:25 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
If you wanted to design a perfect missing link between reptiles and birds, Archaeopteryx would be it.

And so it was designed, by a rabid evolutionist, out of whole cloth. That "fossil" (which had been slathered all over school texts for at least half a century)was determined to be a fraud in 1975 (after it was finally given something like an authentic peer reveiw, some 75 plus years after the fact of its discovery, and that only by accident, as the authenticity wasn't in question at the time, merely whether or not the supposed reptile-bird transition was a good flier, or a poor one...)

the infowarrior

53 posted on 08/09/2005 12:59:07 PM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: infowarrior
LOL!

Even Answers in Genesis doesn't buy that.

They want to believe it's a bird, but that's a side issue -- they admit it's not a fraud.

And btw, there are seven known specemins. Is there an Archaeopteryx factory out there somewhere?

54 posted on 08/09/2005 1:06:55 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: infowarrior
And so it was designed, by a rabid evolutionist, out of whole cloth. That "fossil" (which had been slathered all over school texts for at least half a century)was determined to be a fraud in 1975 (after it was finally given something like an authentic peer reveiw, some 75 plus years after the fact of its discovery, and that only by accident, as the authenticity wasn't in question at the time, merely whether or not the supposed reptile-bird transition was a good flier, or a poor one...)

Bullpuckey.

There are 7 separate Archaeopteryx fossils ; they're all entirely legitimate.

Yet another creationist falsehood. If anyone bothered to keep count, just from the whoppers you guys have told on FR, we'd be in the thousands.

55 posted on 08/09/2005 1:22:49 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: Gumlegs
Even Answers in Genesis doesn't buy that.

They do, however, quote-mine Alan Feduccia, who goes on in his book to state that Archaeopteryx is the quintessential transitional form.

But then, if there wasn't a lie in it somewhere, how would you know it was AuthenticallyCreationistTM

56 posted on 08/09/2005 1:25:32 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Just another creationist strawmanification.


57 posted on 08/09/2005 1:31:15 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Right Wing Professor
There are 7 separate Archaeopteryx fossils ; they're all entirely legitimate.

All from one single source, none ever having been found outside one small limestone quarry in Germany, during a certain timeframe, by one particular individual. The question of provenance alone casts legitimacy into serious doubt.

Then we get into the physiological aspects, which prompted the 1975 query. Try again...

the infowarrior

58 posted on 08/09/2005 1:58:51 PM PDT by infowarrior (TANSTAAFL)
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To: infowarrior
All from one single source, none ever having been found outside one small limestone quarry in Germany, during a certain timeframe, by one particular individual

They were found in six separate locations, by seven different individuals, over a period of over 100 years. Didn't you read the link I posted?

59 posted on 08/09/2005 2:08:17 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Warning! Thetan on board!)
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To: Nicholas Conradin
Dr. Spencer actually has a pretty good sense of humor.

See here.

60 posted on 08/09/2005 2:11:17 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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