Faith-Based Evolution (a meteorologist looks at ID and "evolutionism")

Tech Central Station ^ | 08/08/2005 | Roy W. Spencer

[Nicholas Conradin]

From the TCS biographical information on Dr. Spencer:

Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist for University of Alabama in Huntsville. In the past, he was served as Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, where here he directed research into the development and application of satellite passive microwave remote sensing techniques for measuring global temperature, water vapor, and precipitation. He currently is the U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA's Aqua satellite. Dr. Spencer is the recipient of NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement and the American Meteorological Society's Special Award for his satellite-based temperature monitoring work. He is the author of numerous scientific articles that have appeared in Science, Nature, Journal of Climate, Monthly Weather Review, Journal of Atmospheric and Oceanic Technology, Journal of Climate and Applied Meteorology, Remote Sensing Reviews, Advances in Space Research, and Climatic Change. Dr. Spencer received his Ph.D. in Meteorology from the University of Wisconsin in 1981

This adds little, I think, to the discussion of ID and/versus evolution, but he is a scientist

[ml1954]

Intelligent design can be studied and taught without resorting to human creation traditions and beliefs...

What's there to teach?

Since the fossil record shows a steady and continuous progression from simpler to more complex life over billions of years, the so-called Intelligent Designer must be very actively creating new species after new species over this time.

According to this "theory", every time a new species is created, the Intelligent Designer has done it.

And this is supposed to be more beleivable, or comparably believable, to evolution by natural selection? Not in my brain.

[RaceBannon]

great column

[trebb]

Common ancestry requires transitional forms of life to have existed through the millions of years of supposed biological evolution. Yet the fossil record, our only source of the history of life on Earth, is almost (if not totally) devoid of transitional forms of life that would connect the supposed evolution of amphibians to reptiles, reptiles to birds, etc.

I don't know how anyone can be honest and sweep this under the rug as if it doesn't matter. If we can find fossil evidence from millions of years ago, and of supposedly divergent lines, why do we not have anything to link these divergent lines? It seems improbable that this evidence would be the only stuff that left no sign of itself over the eons. When I bring up the lack of fossil evidence to the pure evolutionists, they go on about retro-virus this and DNA that, but fail to come up with a good explanaition of why there are gaps that would infer that there was no real evolving, but a sudden leap of a mutation from one species to the next. It seems that they take the lack of necessity of this linking evidence with the same faith that I attribute to God. Then, they tend to sneer and look down their noses at me as some kind of bumpkin (much as Dims do to anyone who disagrees with them) while they rant about how I don't understand science. I guess I could use the same argument about them not understanding God, but He prefers I not curl my lip when I try to persuade folks of His existence.

[Blueflag]

Many years ago I was a practicing scientist and reached the same conclusion -- there HAD to be an architect, designer and project manager behind the origins and processes of life.

I could NOT support, in fact, the 100% naturalist/scientific point of view.

Indeed it IS a matter of substantial faith, not substantial evidence, to believe in the theory of evolution. I don't mind that people do believe in evolution as the '100% of life' but it saddens me to see "scientists" who won't recognize how little real evidence, befitting the scientific method, supports the theory.

Perhaps we should start calling it the hypothesis of evolution ;-)

If there is a God, and I believe there is ... (my faith) then He has the power to speak life into existence, design a dynamic intelligent system or just let it 'evolve'. I susbscribe to the theory of intelligent design and the Book of Genesis as a correct and accurate representation of how God wanted to reveal it to us -- the project kick off meeting if you will. Genesis says exactly what God wants it to say, and we have to respond in faith and obedience.

I welcome your comments.

;-)

[pigsmith]

"Common ancestry requires transitional forms of life to have existed through the millions of years of supposed biological evolution. Yet the fossil record, our only source of the history of life on Earth, is almost (if not totally) devoid of transitional forms of life that would connect the supposed evolution of amphibians to reptiles, reptiles to birds, etc. "

Exactly.

[Agamemnon]

This adds little, I think, to the discussion of ID and/versus evolution, but he is a scientist

I am a scientist as well and I happen to agree with him. Adds little? Sniff, if you must.

Reading his pedigree, I predict that all the FR evo-high priests and particularly the evo-space cadets and evo-Trekkies will be writhing in pain on this thread before too much longer.

[Blueflag]

You have two discernible flaws (?) in your statement below. If not flaws, then two points with which I take issue --

"steady and continuous progression from simpler to more complex life over billions of years, the so-called Intelligent Designer must be very actively creating new species after new species over this time."

(1) "steady and coninuous." Ahem. Just a little disingenuous there? Over the billions of years there is a readily inferable 'evolution' of life, but I would hardly call the fossil record continuous, and certainly not contiguous. There are important and numerous gaps in the fossil record AND there are amazing shifts in the various genomes across Kingdoms all the way down to Genus that are really difficult to support via natural selection's historical evidenciary trail. You catch my drift -- the fossil trail and the genetic trail are not substantially steady, continuous or contiguous per the scientific method to reach a valid conclusion(s)from the data that all life evolved by "chance".

(2) "Intelligent Designer must be very actively creating new species after new species over this time."

He could be, or more correctly has put a set of processes in place that (like the laws of Physics) enable the metabolism of life to build out His design. Indeed God may have directly intervened to create hummingbirds, sea cucumbers or man. Or He may have just set it all in motion with a perfect, intelligent design.

I leave you with this final point -- if there is a God, then He has the power to do what He pleases. WHY must scientists be atheistic in their pursuits and thinking? Why can't science legitimately assume the existence of God and then work to understand His intelligent design?

Is it because, fundamentally, these scientists are atheists?

[Grig]

"And this is supposed to be more believable, or comparably believable, to evolution by natural selection? Not in my brain."

If in some distant future mankind was to 'terraform' some planet to make it earth-like, don't you think the ecosystem would be built up in stages, starting with the small and simple creatures at the bottom of the food chain and eventually working up to the the top? It would be the logical way to do it. Since then the fossil record shows that same kind of progression, why would be unthinkable to consider that there was a design behind it?

If human evolved, how is it that we evolved abilities that go far, far beyond what is required for survival? Can evolutionists map out a mutation by mutation progression from one species to another, with every mutation creating a superior life form, better able to survive than the previous?

Both theories require the exercise of faith in things that can not be pr oven.

[Non-Sequitur]

This adds little, I think, to the discussion of ID and/versus evolution, but he is a scientist.

With all due respect he's a meteorologist. I'm not aware of how much impact evolution has on the weather. But I'll agree that it adds little to the overall discussion.

[Grig]

The idea that God just set things up like some kind of evolution machine to churn out the species He wanted is not compatible with the Biblical account of the creation.

The plants, animals and mankind were created before the fall, and before the fall there was no death, hence there could be no evolution, no 'survival of the fittest' driving genetic change.

[DouglasKC]

Great article...thanks for posting it.

[Sentis]

A meteorologist commenting on evolution is sort of like a gardener explaining to a chef how to make a soufflé. I can tell you alot about meteorologists just by looking at how often they manage to actually predict the weather, the one thing they are supposed to be able to do. I believe their track record is less than 50%.

[RogueIsland]

Yet the fossil record, our only source of the history of life on Earth, is almost (if not totally) devoid of transitional forms of life

When the guy starts out with a flat out incorrect statement like that, it's hard to take the rest of the article seriously.

[Non-Sequitur]

I don't know how anyone can be honest and sweep this under the rug as if it doesn't matter. If we can find fossil evidence from millions of years ago, and of supposedly divergent lines, why do we not have anything to link these divergent lines?

I don't think that anyone is trying sweep anything under the rug, primarily because science has indentified dozens if not hundreds of fossils that they believe track the transition from amphibian to reptile, and from reptile to mammal or bird. Some of them are detailed here.

[Citizen Tom Paine]

I too was a scientists, with several advanced degrees and an interest in geology, astronomy, and geophysics. I also agree with the author. Life, once it appeared on Earth changed, this is recorded in the rocks, but in is impossible to determine how life occurred naturally. ( Recall that the best guess for the age of the Universe is about 10^17 seconds) Consequently, there apparently was not enough time on Earth for life as complex as the eukaryothic cell and DNA to occur randomly. Also recall, that during the time that life was "developing" on Earth the atmosphere supposedly changed from a reducing one to a highly corrosive one containing oxygen.

[doc30]

He could be, or more correctly has put a set of processes in place that (like the laws of Physics) enable the metabolism of life to build out His design.

Mere speculation. From a philosophical point of view it is quite intersting, but from a scientific point of view, it lacks credibility. If we are the product of some grand design, where is the design? How are the creator's blueprints made manifest? What is the physical force or interaction responsible for executing the design? ID has never addressed questins such as these. It merely throws it's hans up and says we cannot figure it out so someone smarter than us did it.

Moreover, ID offers no explanation of where the designer came from, or how this designer does what it does. ID offers more holes and blank spaces than evolution. Also note that the author is a meteorologist, not a biologist.

[dmz]

Michael Behe has quite the pedigree as well, and the first part of this post is pretty much a rehash of his argument (without the emphasis on irreducible complexity). I don't see any "evos" writhing in pain over him, so I can't imagine this guy is gonna leave a mark, either.

Frankly, I'm all for teaching ID, in World Cultures class. Because a theory of origins is touted by some scientists does not necessarily make it a scientific theory.

If "evos" are guilty of extending microevolution into the realm of macroevolution without compelling evidence, there still exists the scientific research that continues. ID injects itself into the fray on a point of logic (what are the odds?), coupled with an inference to a designer.

[layman]

There is, by the way, no third theory of origins

The book titled 'Chariots of the Gods' suggests a third theory which I call the 'intervention' theory. It postulates that at some point in the evolution process earth was visited by alien beings who caused a quantum leap from primitive man to modern man. It relates details of the theory to the old testament. It's an interesting read even though, like all theories explaining the mystery of the existence of life and the universe, nobody will ever know for certain.

[antiRepublicrat]

If we can find fossil evidence from millions of years ago, and of supposedly divergent lines, why do we not have anything to link these divergent lines?

We have lots of transitional fossils. In fact, Darwin's theory predicted they must exist in order for the theory to be correct, although they hadn't been found in his time. One of the hallmarks of a theory is the ability to make predictions. What predictions does ID make?