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Old enemies' wargames send a powerful message to the US
Times Online ^ | August 3, 2005 | Jane Macartney

Posted on 08/08/2005 7:29:02 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777

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To: DTwistedSisterS; BearWash
Posted by BearWash to pbrown

On News/Activism ^ 07/30/2005 5:40:36 PM CDT · 42 of 108 ^

Who would buy their patio furniture?

They needed us only to establish their manufacturing base and modern financial and distribution systems. Whether or not this disease cluster was engineered, China will eventually become fully self sufficient and external trading partners will no longer be an impediment to invading Taiwan or the world.

I asked the same question and that was how BearWash answered me. And it was the best explaination I was ever given.

41 posted on 08/09/2005 8:56:48 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Bald Eagle777
Everyone should be careful reading too much into this, considering our coordination with China and Russia, including the terror war stuff and IIRC, actual naval exercises with Russia.

That said, China's going to be Cold War II.

42 posted on 08/09/2005 9:41:46 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (God Bless 3rd Battalion, 25th Marines, Heroes Proved.)
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To: Bald Eagle777
That left the stage to Mr Li, who dropped in to show Asia that China cared.

Oh brother. Who wrote this? Monty Python?

43 posted on 08/09/2005 11:52:08 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (When a Jihadist dies, an angel gets its wings)
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To: Avenger

You are not quite correct. The intial thaw was during the late 1970s. Deng Xiao Ping built on that and architected the current Axis. The die was cast no later than 1987.


44 posted on 08/09/2005 12:26:40 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Sender

The plan may be:
1. Islamofascist proxy against the US and Europe
2. Meanwhile, more conventional methods to take over the Eurasian landmass and control the Straits of Hormuz and Malacca.

The USA's defense strategy is predicated upon assumptions that were hatched during the late 1980s. We are a slightly-less-than 2 MRC capable force. What I am wondering about here looks to me like about a 3 MRC, when you add it all up.


45 posted on 08/09/2005 12:30:39 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: DTwistedSisterS

Actually, the collection of countries in Eurasia (EU and Japan inclusive) are their largest market. Their growth markets are in Asia and Latin America.


46 posted on 08/09/2005 12:33:37 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Vote 4 Nixon

Well this was a nice post. Well thought, NOT


47 posted on 08/09/2005 12:41:12 PM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: Bald Eagle777

Considdering that the last TWO times Russia had war games they had to be bailed out by the west, this seems unlikely to yield much.

Both incidents ended with disasters or near disasters, and the west rushed to their aid in both cases.

Their fleet is rusting, their soldiers are under paid (or un-paid in some cases) and they are falling technologically further and further behind.

China map present a problem in the future, but more likely for the Russians than for US. After all, the easiest land to grab is Russian land, and the oil resourses they need are just a few hunderes kilometers north of the border.

Russia and China have never been able to make it hold together long enough to be a real force in the world.


48 posted on 08/09/2005 3:44:18 PM PDT by konaice
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To: konaice

Go back a bit further in time. To the Yuan Dynasty. Now, imagine a new version of it, but this time, with a reasonable degree of power sharing between the two nodes. Those who extraopolate recent and near past arrangements are often surprised. The saddest thing is this. Many in Europe are giddy about "Eurasian integration" and about such things as the Pan Eurasian Highway system. Certainly, in a world where republicanism and rights of the sort inherent to the Western Tradition are overwhelmingly accepted and ingrained, such a thing would indeed be something to look forward to. Unfortunately, in much of Eurasia, an anti Western outlook is rising. We can deny it all we want. Let us not be put in a position such that once the emerging new order becomes irrefutible, it is too late for the Free World to deal with it.


49 posted on 08/09/2005 5:02:49 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: datura

Decades behind us...

Says who, the CIA? I don't think they've been getting much right lately.


50 posted on 08/09/2005 6:46:43 PM PDT by WestSylvanian
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To: WestSylvanian

You MUST be kidding, right?


51 posted on 08/09/2005 7:07:03 PM PDT by America's Resolve (Liberal Democrats are liars, cheats and thieves with no morals, scruples, ethics or honor!)
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To: GOP_1900AD

I think the Chinese conflict will be fought by accountants, bean counters and lawyers. So we can save our other resources for the other 2 MRC ;)


52 posted on 08/09/2005 8:13:10 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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