President Appoints John Bolton as Ambassador to the United Nations

You're absolutely devoid of any historical knowledge and logic and you have less than no ability to reason.

Just go off and live in your dream world, but don't expect the rest of us to enable your delusions.

I haven't expected you to do anything except back up your statements. Give me a ping whenever you decide to.

In the meantime, the record shows that you've presented no serious reason not to withdraw from the UN.

Trying to rationally debate you and state facts, is a blatant waste of time, energy, and bandwidth.

Get back to me when you are more knowledgeable and have grown up.

Interesting to see the recess appointment of a tough-guy diplomat made just as we near the necessity of taking action against Iran.

I think Bolton has a mission: corral the Security Council and force the issue on condemning Iran's nuke program. He's going to tell them to do their job to protect the world from crazy mullahs with nukes before London or Paris or Berlin or New York or Tel Aviv gets nuked by Iran.

Trying to rationally debate you and state facts, is a blatant waste of time, energy, and bandwidth.

Then by all means, take the last word. Just give us all an idea of what, specifically, you think the UN will attempt to do to us should we depart, and how successful you think they'll be. If you can do that, you'll have the last word between us, whether I agree with you or not. Otherwise, the reader can look over our exchange and decide how hard you've been "trying" to back up your position.

I think Bolton has a mission: corral the Security Council and force the issue on condemning Iran's nuke program.

Except that the Security Council merely consists of mouthpieces for the various governments. The better opportunity for "corraling" is at higher-level meetings, such as the G8 meetings. If they had focused more on that instead of poring more money down the hole in Africa, we might have gotten somewhere.

Except that the Security Council merely consists of mouthpieces for the various governments. The better opportunity for "corraling" is at higher-level meetings, such as the G8 meetings.

All ambassadors are mouthpieces. It's their job.

G8 conferences and meetings between only two heads of state rarely produce anything if you're talking about a coalition. Even events like the Yalta conference (Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin) are extremely rare. Even if agreement on broad principle is achieved, they're going to hammer out details and play to their home audiences via the U.N. meetings. Naturally, the major players will pursue diplomacy via both the U.N. and their regular diplomatic corps at the same time.

The U.N. is maintained and hosted by the U.S. as a useful propaganda stage. Otherwise, it is ignored by both our governement and media unless some internal U.N. scandal is brewing. Like the diplomats and their staff looting the place and stripping it like hoodlums when the food service staff went on strike.

I'd like to get rid the U.N. about as much as you. But I think you overestimate their influence on our policy. Naturally, they're far more dangerous when Dims like the Clintons are in power so your concerns are valid enough.

But I think you overestimate their influence on our policy.

I haven't really made any estimates of their influence on our policy just yet, but now that you mention it, I do note that just about every military action we've taken for the last several years has either been in pursuance of some UN resolution, or directly authorized by the Security Council, or commanded by some other supranational organization, such as NATO. Perhaps we still retain the ability to say no to them, but the problem is, habits of obedience are really only what a governing authority needs in order to have effective power, and the more we keep ourselves in that habit, the harder it is for us to get out of it.

As an example of what I mean, just ask yourself what power the U.S. Supreme Court has to enforce its decisions. Yet they're obeyed unswervingly, even when they're blatantly unconstitutional.

You just want a "scary" story. You enjoy either being completely blind to reality or having yourself scared to death; perhaps both.

And any postulation I could come up with, is just fantasy; albeit, based on historical facts. But yes, as you previously said, a new, moved UN could indeed propose and pass sanctions on us. The International Court, could arrest any of our government officials and private citizenry, should they travel abroad. And what are we going to then do about it? Nuke 'em ? Only in your miasmic delusions.

Would sanctions against us work ? Probably better than they did against Saddam.

Oh and here's a thought...since all kinds of garbage against Israel keeps getting brought up now, at the UN, without us, it will only get worse.

There's always all those things that get proposed, that we veto, which no longer would be vetoed. Do yourself a favor and go do some research on that aspect.

You demand that I write some ludicrous scenario, yet you have offered NOTHING for yournposition. Yes, indeed, let's let the lurkers decide which one of us is worth reading and agreeing with. Dollars to donuts, you lose. :-)

Beware the Red Queen.
For she and/or her minions
Will come after you.

IOW: Someone on this forum is an expert on virtually everything, and doesn't brook even an honest question about something. If you ask one, or suggest that perhaps there's another way to approach something, you will be attacked, often with your intelligence being questioned. Then you will be told you don't know the "facts." You will be asked if you've "READ" something! Then you will ask for the facts, and be dismissed with, I don't have time to find it for you!

To recap:
You will be challenged, often gratuitously.
You will ask a question.
You will be ridiculed and dismissed.
In extreme cases, you will be accused of being a troll, disruptor, false conservative or worse, and told to get back to DU--and that can happen even to people who've been here so long they helped Jim set up the first server.
In really extreme cases, you can be suspended.

Mad as a Hatter, I tell ya.

Well, I don't intend to let myself get suspended, though I agree with everything else you said. But really, it's starting to get downright farcical lately. I don't think I have much to worry about.

It really has been getting farcical, hasn't it? Thanks.

I agree with you about the dangers of complacence to a growing danger. But it's not just the U.N. It's the international courts, GATT/NAFTA/CAFTA and all these other organizations and treaties that affect our lives but that we never get to vote for.

To be able to do anything about it, we'd have to have a political party that wants to abolish them. And the Dims love them, the GOP only a little less.

John R. Bolton
Ambassador
Permanent U.S. Representative to the United Nations

		John R. Bolton was appointed by President George W. Bush as United States Permanent Representative to the United Nations on August 1, 2005. Prior to his appointment, Ambassador Bolton served as Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security from May 2001 to May 2005. Prior to this, Mr. Bolton was Senior Vice President of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). AEI is a nonprofit public policy center dedicated to preserving and strengthening the foundations of freedom through research education, and open debate.
Mr. Bolton has spent many years of his career in public service. Previous positions he has held are Assistant Secretary for International Organization Affairs at the Department of State, 1989-1993; Assistant Attorney General, Department of Justice, 1985-1989; Assistant Administrator for Program and Policy Coordination, U.S. Agency for International Development, 1982-1983; General Counsel, U.S. Agency for International Development, 1981-1982. Mr. Bolton is also an attorney. From 1974-1981 he was an associate at the Washington office of Covington & Burling, where he returned as a member of the firm from 1983-1985, after public service at the U.S. Agency for International Development. From 1993 through 1999, he was a partner in the law firm of Lerner, Reed, Bolton & McManus. Under Secretary Bolton was born in Baltimore on November 20, 1948. He graduated with a B.A., summa cum laude, from Yale University and received his J.D. from Yale Law School.

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Finally--a pro-Serbian UN ambassador!!!! Quite a reversal from Halfbright and Holbrooke!!

Stick it in your EAR Chuckie baby!!

This is just how stupid she thinks we are.

That's just how stupidly she thinks.