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WSJ: Fuzzy Tax Math re: Death and Taxes, and Dynamic Scoring
Wall Street Journal ^ | July 28, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 07/28/2005 5:40:10 AM PDT by OESY

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To: lewislynn
Define "taxable income" before making comparisons to taxing 100% of your spending.

First, "taxable income" cannot be defined - at least the IRS itself fails to be able to do so at least half the time. How can an ordinary citizen, not in the tax industry, expect to do any better? It is the definition of "taxable" that is so problematic under the flat income tax.

Second, I didn't compare to taxing 100% of spending. Indeed if you were to have someone read the post to you, it says something quite different.

Look here to find out about how necessities are untaxed.

21 posted on 07/28/2005 12:02:23 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Auntie Dem

Capital gain rate is 15%. Estate tax rate is around 40-50%.


22 posted on 07/28/2005 12:19:53 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: Auntie Dem
One thing you haven't addressed is if the "Death" tax is repealed, so will the step-up in basis that heirs receive on inherited property

Why?

And even if it were, wouldn't 15% be a little better than 50%?

23 posted on 07/28/2005 12:20:42 PM PDT by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: rwrcpa1

http://www.ncpa.org/pd/gif/pd62899.gif


24 posted on 07/28/2005 12:52:15 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

That is an old chart. The estate tax rate has been coming down since Bush's first tax cut.


25 posted on 07/28/2005 1:01:17 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: Auntie Dem

"One thing you haven't addressed is if the 'Death' tax is repealed, so will the step-up in basis that heirs receive on inherited property. For example, if you and your sister inherit your parent's residence in which they have a $100,000 basis, and it is worth $500,000 you and your sister will have a $400,000 capital gain to share."

Golly, I think Auntie Dem just came up with another reason to pass the FairTax - which repeals BOTH estate and gift taxes, as well as capital gains taxes.


26 posted on 07/28/2005 1:58:49 PM PDT by phil_will1 (My posts are in no way limited by previously expressed SQL opinions)
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To: rwrcpa1

"Capital gain rate is 15%. Estate tax rate is around 40-50%."

The top federal etate rate is 55%, if memory serves, but that is only for very large estates and only for the portion of the estate above a threshold amount of several million $$$. The unified credit is currently $1 million, I believe, which means that the first million is tax free. The estate tax, like the income tax, is graduated/progressive.


27 posted on 07/28/2005 2:03:27 PM PDT by phil_will1 (My posts are in no way limited by previously expressed SQL opinions)
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To: groanup

"INCOME TAX CODE: 60,000 PAGES and growing."

Slight correction - I believe the Internal Revenue Code is around 9,500 pps. The tax SYSTEM (as defined and measured by CCH) was just over 60,000 pages last year (04). CCH counts, in addition to the Code itself, Treasury Dept rulings, IRS regs, among other documents in their tabulation of the tax system.


28 posted on 07/28/2005 2:09:16 PM PDT by phil_will1 (My posts are in no way limited by previously expressed SQL opinions)
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To: rwrcpa1

Thank you. Can you post an updated chart?


29 posted on 07/28/2005 2:09:29 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
I don't have a chart, but here is the top U.S. rates by year:

2004-48%; 2005-47%;2006-46%;2007-45%

That's as far forward as I have, except I know that in 2010 the rate is 0%, and then goes back to 55% in 2011.

30 posted on 07/28/2005 3:02:40 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: phil_will1

I stand slightly corrected.


31 posted on 07/28/2005 3:05:18 PM PDT by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: rwrcpa1
in 2010 the rate is 0%, and then goes back to 55% in 2011.

As Zell Miller said: "How in the world is anybody supposed to plan based on that law?"

32 posted on 07/28/2005 3:07:07 PM PDT by groanup (shred for Ian)
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To: lewislynn

fter all these many years of your continually misstating things, Looey, you should surely know that 100% of your spending is not taxed.

You SQL guys just LOVE to say anything negative you can think of about the FairTax - even if it isn't true. Bad on you!


33 posted on 07/28/2005 5:04:08 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: groanup

I guess you just figger out when you're gonna die and adjust accordingly to minimize taxes - right???


34 posted on 07/28/2005 5:07:52 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: groanup
And even if it were, wouldn't 15% be a little better than 50%?

It's not that simple. There are various and multiple exemptions, unified credit, prior gifts, etc, etc, etc.

For most Americans who would not even end up in a taxable situation in an Estate, the loss of the step up in basis would be catastrophic. Anyone whose taxable estate is under $1.3M would not pay ANY estate tax under existing law, and the step-up in basis would protect heirs selling appreciated property. If the estate tax were repealed EVERYONE would pay a capital gains tax on the increase in value of any assets passed to heirs, even if those assets were valued at less than $1.3M. An increase from 0% to even 15% is outrageous.

I'm surprised the democraps haven't figured this one out yet, because the "take" to the government would be dramitcally increased if the estate tax were eliminated. They must hate the rich so much they are willing to pass up this "extra" revenue from the little people.

Ironically, the super rich can afford to find ways around the estate tax and pay little or no estate tax anyway.

35 posted on 07/28/2005 5:20:56 PM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: rwrcpa1
Neal Boortz's Fair Tax book is currently #1 on Amazon's non-fiction bestseller list and #2 overall (behind Harry Potter).

Thank You!! LOL!! This is the best news I've heard all day!!

36 posted on 07/28/2005 5:24:52 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: groanup

In 2010 the murder/suicide rate will go up 3000%!


37 posted on 08/01/2005 10:05:25 AM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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