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CIA 'Expert' Larry Johnson: "Plame Undercover For Three Decades"
Opinion Journal ^ | October 1, 2003 | James Tarantino

Posted on 07/27/2005 10:54:15 AM PDT by Sam Hill

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To: Sam Hill
Hello. My Name's Larry. This is my brother Darryl and this is my other brother Darryl.


121 posted on 07/27/2005 12:45:12 PM PDT by Diver Dave (Because He Lives, I CAN Face Tomorrow)
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To: Montfort
BTW, if Joe was sent by the CIA to do an investigation, he must have signed some sort of non-disclosure agreement.

Thats what makes this even screwier, I don't believe he did at least that is what I have been lead to believe. I think Jim Quinn even said that this morning

122 posted on 07/27/2005 12:47:56 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Archon of the East

"I still would like to know the legal implication if any, of the possibility that she was in fact fairly well known as a CIA employee? Even if it was just casually among cocktail friends. More specifically would this negate any claim of blown "Cover" if all her pals knew who she was?"

Insofar as the "Agee Law" (that I cited above) is concerned:

She can out herself. Newspapers and non-government (intel) people can out her--as long as they don't make a pattern out of outing agents.

But if she worked overseas undercover in the prior five years, a government type cannot out her. But since she doesn't fit that prerequisite, even a government type (such as Rove) could legally out her.

So as far as that law ("The Agee Law") goes, there doesn't seem to be any law broken. I don't know if any others apply, but they've never been mentioned.

In fact it has been reported that the CIA referral to the Justice Department did not even cite the "Agee law." So they might have been going after something else altogether.


123 posted on 07/27/2005 12:48:06 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: COBOL2Java
...and for the book, and another movie.

"My parents knew me as 'Harriet'. I couldn't tell them
that my name was Valerie, and I searched for WMD."

124 posted on 07/27/2005 12:49:49 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Sender; Sam Hill

For an account that shows that the CIA is truly in dismal condition, one only need read this "true life" memoir from a former CIA covert agent who actually says she was inspired to sign up with the CIA by "Harriet the Spy" stories:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0399152393/qid=1122493379/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_ur_2_1/104-2488728-9006364

I would have thought she'd be deeply embarrassed to come off as such a shallow, vapid poor excuse for a CIA agent.... she lasted only a few years and wasted all of our tax dollars and human resources devoted to her training.... if Valerie Plame was at all like her then we really are in bad shape in the CIA.


125 posted on 07/27/2005 12:55:19 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Sam Hill
That makes the continued claim of the MSM, Dems, VIP's etc that she was undercover a bit bizarre. They still seem so sure of things.

My hunch is, and correct me if I'm wrong, that they, MSM etc are probably only getting info from the Grand Jury testimony of their "friends". Since the testimony is suppose to be a secret I doubt whether they are getting info from all who testify, thus only a selective picture of things.

By the way wasn't it actually Ashcroft that OK'd the investigation? And wasn't it the white house that was more concerned about leaks at least until this broke.

126 posted on 07/27/2005 12:59:27 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Archon of the East

"BTW, if Joe was sent by the CIA to do an investigation, he must have signed some sort of non-disclosure agreement.
Thats what makes this even screwier.."

According to the Senate Intelligence subcommittee's investigation into the Iraq WMD business...Joe Wilson was not made to sign a non-disclosure agreement. He was issued an "Operational Secret" clearance for the trip. Upon his return from Niger, the CIA debriefed him in his home while Valerie(Agent 99) served cofee.

I beleive the law was broken here....


127 posted on 07/27/2005 1:44:45 PM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: wideawake
So, according to Johnson, she started as an undercover operative for the CIA at the age of 11.

I guess that the Agency had a "talent scouting" operation at her elementary school?

128 posted on 07/27/2005 1:45:53 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: ClearCase_guy
If we accept (I don't) that she was undercover right up until 2003, then she was undercover in this decade. She was undercover in the decade of the 1990's. If she was undercover in 1989, then she was undercover in the decade of the 1980's.

Similar to Tim McCarver's claim to have caught in the majors in 4 decades (but only 22 years when you really look at it)....

129 posted on 07/27/2005 1:50:12 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: Sam Hill

I hope Porter Goss is swinging a huge broadaxe around over at the CIA these days. We need to clean out all these Liberal weenies, and quick.


130 posted on 07/27/2005 1:53:45 PM PDT by Gritty ("Why introduce identity cards for a nation with no identity?" - Mark Steyn)
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To: Sam Hill

"Under Cover Brutha's got a Johnson dat Larry went undercover with".


131 posted on 07/27/2005 1:58:50 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Wristpin
I beleive the law was broken here....

If not then it was at least very careless.

It really seems that the whole liberal axis went thru pains taking measures to not cross the "legal" line on issues they seemed destined to use against this administration while at the same time pushing right up to it in an apparent effort of a setup....IMO

132 posted on 07/27/2005 2:04:18 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Montfort

The CIA did not ask him to sign a non-disclosure agreement...I will see if I can find a good link for that info.


133 posted on 07/27/2005 2:06:31 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Ann Archy
Isn't Scott Ritter on some Arab's payroll also??

Indeed. Ritter's "documentary" was funded by an Iraqi-American (name escapes) who also just happened to be one of the beneficiaries of Oil-for-Food vouchers.

134 posted on 07/27/2005 2:11:12 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Sam Hill

bttt


135 posted on 07/27/2005 2:17:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Montfort
Valerie Plame's CIA bosses took care not to ask Mr. Wilson to sign a confidentiality agreement, routine in such cases, almost as if they wanted him to make a public fuss. They were not surprised, one might think, when Mr. Wilson promptly took his story to New York Times Op-Ed Editor Gail Collins, one of the great Bush-haters of all time. As Joseph DiGenova, former US Attorney for DC, recently said, "The CIA isn’t stupid. They wanted this story out."

American Thinker

The Senate Report is here

Danged .pdf files...it keeps locking up my computer so I can't get the actual quote from it about the confidentiality agreement. Maybe someone else on DSL can get it from that link.

136 posted on 07/27/2005 2:26:35 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Sam Hill
Valerie Plame graduated from Penn State in 1985.

1. CIA agent linked to Collegian Abstract: Thursday, Oct. 9, 2003. CIA agent linked to Collegian. By Rachel Spivak. Collegian Staff Writer. The classified life of Valerie Plame, whose name was leaked as an undercover agent for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) originated in the offices of the Daily Collegian in the 1980s. Plame, a marketing manager of the Daily Collegian in 1984 and a 1985 Penn State graduate, left State College to embark on a top-secret life in Washington, D.C. Robert Novak, Chicago Sun-Times columnist, first pub . . . http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2003/10/10-09-03tdc/10-09-03dnews-08.asp - last edit: 10/9/2003 4:42:06 - hit count: 17 - rank: 1,000 (0 to 1000) - size: 6,796 bytes

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2003/10/10-09-03tdc/10-09-03dnews-08.asp

137 posted on 07/27/2005 8:42:48 PM PDT by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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