Loving Big Brother (London Police Shooting)

The New American ^ | 07.26.05 | William Norman Grigg

[driftless]

"John Gibson is a friggin idiot". I seriously doubt that.

[DugwayDuke]

"Newspaper and magazine articles as well as other press reports recount numerous bombers in Israel that are identified, and "talked" down.. Not shot.."

And newpaper and magazine articles also have reports of numerous bombers in Israel that were not 'talked down'. Any of those 'newpaper and magazine articles' tell the tale of 'talking down' a suicide bomber after jumping turnstiles and running on board a train?

If it were as easy as you postulate, why all we have to do is erect lots of loudspeakes playing soothing music and tapes of Israeli police 'talking down' suicide bombers. Wonder why the Israeli police haven't thought of that?

[DugwayDuke]

"Everyone was safer when all they had was a whistle."

And there were no suicide bombers on the tube.

[DugwayDuke]

"The point of the article was that government(s) tend to be the "cause" of the problems in the first place..
Those same governments then "solve" the problem by eroding individual liberties..
The author was correct in the premise of his article.."

If the author was correct, then it should be easy to describe how 'government caused' the problem of suicide bombers.

[Senator Goldwater]

Self-defense is a libertarian value.

Or should be.

[RadioAstronomer]

I think they were justified in shooting the guy.

Really? Execution style? Especially after he was already thrown to the ground?

WOW!

[RadioAstronomer]

I seriously doubt that.

After what I just read in his article, I don't.

[HiTech RedNeck]

The killing of Jean Charles de Meneze by London police, who wrongly suspected Meneze of being a suicide bomber, demonstrated the folly of giving police a license to kill on the basis of suspicion. Yet some neoconservatives "love" this and other Big Brother policies.

Meneze was possibly only guilty of being a jackass at the wrong place and the wrong time. ("Wouldn't it be cool if I could panic some Brits by pretending to be another suicide bomber"?) But terrorism has a way of making knee jerks look downright sensible.

[RadioAstronomer]

And BTW, just for the record, I don't like the hit bits on the Israelis or the police in the article. (I still cannot justify in my mind the execution style killing)

It's the John Gibson piece that startled me the most.

[oh8eleven]

A friend of mine said he spotted two DPGs outside the Isreali embassy talking to each other and the one holding the MP5 was in full-blown Rule 2 violation with the MP5 slung across his front and pointing right into the guts of the other cop.
Wow, now that's scary. Don't you just hate it when they violate Rule 2.

[halfright]

I wonder what part of "S T O P " he didn't understand?

Very simple....obey lawful orders and you won't get wacked.

Take off and run in a heavy overcoat when the temperature is in the 80's and EVERYONE is looking for that EXACT description, ignore orders to stop...Jumped a turnstile,etc...you are terminated............

Great Job MI 5 !!!!

[PzGr43]

>A friend of mine said he spotted two DPGs outside the >Israeli embassy talking to each other and the one holding >the MP5 was in full-blown Rule 2 violation with the MP5 >slung across his front and pointing right into the guts of >the other cop.

I wish he had taken a foto, then we could have done a spectacular "What's wrong with this picture ?"

It wasn't a casual careless muzzle-sweep. They had been stood there for about ten minutes, passing the time of day with each other.

[oh8eleven]

You missed my point.
I guess I should have included sarcasm tags.

[Coleus]

Protect the citizens? they blew the head off of a Brazilian citizen sending his money back home to his family.

where where these yahoo, keystone cops, when the real terrorists were there on two different occasions, and why wasn't the Brazilian citizen arrested with his "suspicious coat" when he left the so-called house under surveillance.

and where are the pictures of the incident, surveillance cameras cover the entire subway system.

[Coleus]

um, why wasn't this so-called terrorist, wearing his "suspicious coat", LOL, arrested when leaving this house which was supposedly under surveillance. Keystone cops at their best. They tried to be heroes and blew the brains out of an innocent man.

[Coleus]

Everyone was safer when all they had was a whistle. >>

You can say that again. And why wasn't this so-called terrorist, wearing his suspicious coat, arrested when he left the "house" under surveillance? It just doesn't add up.

[Coleus]

these "neo-con" idiots are the type of fools who would sacrifice freedom for the illusion of security. Exactly like their Dim-rat counterparts. >>


"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

Benjamin Franklin


all in the name of terrorism, right? Hey, lets add more pages to the Patriot Act, it's not large enough, I think the government, military and police need more power and take away more rights.

[Coleus]

um, the problem is that the "police" stated that the house in which he exited was under surveillance and they saw this "terrorist" leave with his "suspicious coat" from said house.

Seems if they wanted to stop a terrorist they would have arrested him on a city street instead of the inside of the worlds busiest subway system. Not too smart, eh?

Yea, one deserves to have his brains blown out because he wore a "suspicious coat", LOL. Did it ever occur to you that while in the busiest subway system in the world that maybe he couldn't "hear" them say stop. I've been in the NYC subway and you can't hear a thing, the noise is deafening.

Where were these storm troopers when the real terrorists were in the subways? Cleaning out their weapons?

[carumba]

Yes, even though the tie in was not that close.