Friday, October 24, 2003
Jim Marcinkowski, left, and Larry Johnson
Two former CIA operatives, Larry Johnson and Jim Marcinkowski, have asked the Senate to investigate the leak and discussed the situation with CNN's Bill Hemmer.
Posted on 07/22/2005 1:59:59 PM PDT by zencat
Good lord; I may have to go lay down for a bit after reading that.
That amounts to a coup.
Mr. Chairman??
Are they started up their own house??
Sure sounds like an abuse of power also
This one with Larry Johnson is the second one I know about!
This is the other one:
Live Thread: John Conyers' Downing Street Memo Circus, C-SPAN 3, 2:30 p.m. EDT 6/16/05
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1424274/posts
They just seem to hold "hearings" on anything that they think can hurt Bush.
I guess that these are the politicized agents that were drummed out of the CIA when Goss took over. Sour grapes! These guys are lucky that they aren't the ones being pulled into the grand jury.
The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.
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Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.
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At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.
Friday, October 24, 2003
Jim Marcinkowski, left, and Larry Johnson
Two former CIA operatives, Larry Johnson and Jim Marcinkowski, have asked the Senate to investigate the leak and discussed the situation with CNN's Bill Hemmer.
LARRY JOHNSON: It was just a cheap political shot. Unfortunately there are elements of the Bush administration that seem intent upon plain and intense partisan politics and smearing people without dealing with the substance of issues.
I don't care if Joe Wilson was an overt communist, that has nothing, no relevance to the fact that he delivered a report which was backed up by the other U.S. ambassador as well as backed up by Marine General who also conducted an investigation that there was no uranium being sold out of Niger.
So, instead of focusing on the substance of the issue what is underway we continue to see Scott McClellan engage in this to suggest that because of some political beliefs by ambassador Wilson that that discredits the substance of his report.
Unfortunately, that is what has become typical of politics. We saw it under the Clinton administration and now we're seeing it under the Bush administration. George Bush promised a new tone in town and got the same old note.
AMY GOODMAN: Larry Johnson, what was your relationship with Valerie Plame? Did you work directly with her?
LARRY JOHNSON: We went through special training program together, starting in 1985.
AMY GOODMAN: What did you understand about what she was doing?
LARRY JOHNSON: Well, I don't understand much about what she's doing, but what is certain, she has been undercover since 1985.
Now, what the nature of that cover is, I don't know, nor do I need to know. The spin that's been put out by people like Bob Novack to suggest that she was “just an analyst”, all I can say is that I was an analyst for the four years I was at the CIA. I was in an undercover capacity the entire time, which meant that the only person who was really aware of where I was actually working was my wife. The other members of my family thought I was working with another government agency.
AMY GOODMAN: The reports and Bob Novack's piece, watching him yesterday on CNN saying, yeah, he used the word "operative" but he was using it loosely he didn't quite understand, he sort of thought analyst, not really sure.
LARRY JOHNSON: Doesn't matter. That is a red herring. That is completely irrelevant to the issue. Issue's not was she an analyst or was she a cleaning lady, if she's undercover she's undercover, period.
If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue. Unfortunately there's a lot of ignorance, that's understandable.
To refer to Joe's wife as an agent, she's not an agent. Agents are people from other countries who are paid by the United States to betray their country; they're spies. Intelligence officers, case officers, run agents. Joe's wife is an intelligence officer not an agent.
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AMY GOODMAN: What is your sense of where this leak came from, Larry Johnson?
LARRY JOHNSON: I've been told by someone who I believe has direct knowledge that it came out of the old executive office building.
I'm not going to identify specific individuals because I think that has to be carried out by the Justice Department to investigate.
I don't want to try people in public, but I think we've seen a parsing of words, “No, it didn't come out of the White House”.
Well, the reporter are just doing their job. How about asking the follow-up question: Well did it come out of the old executive office building?
AMY GOODMAN: And who is in the old executive office building?
LARRY JOHNSON: Well, more of the President's staff; people that work for the President; that work on national security issues. You have other senior officials from different agencies, the Vice President's staff is there. You've got a whole host of people who might possibly -- what we know for certain based upon what Bob Novack has said, is that two senior administration officials gave him this name.
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AMY GOODMAN: Larry Johnson to say the least, this is a political firestorm. You're a Republican. Why are you speaking out?
LARRY JOHNSON: There's right and wrong in this. I was disgusted by a lot of things I saw happening under the Clinton administration, and I expected a new tone and new direction. Instead we're getting a level of thuggery with -- the White House continues to do it.
What's unfortunate, when I say White House I mean Scott McClellan by raising questions about Joe Wilson's political affiliation. It's not relevant The simple question is, who revealed the name of his wife and compromised her cover status; and why are they attacking Joe Wilson for bringing the news that was available also in other sources which told them that that report that the President based his State of the Union message on was erroneous; and that there was in fact no credible evidence that Iraq was trying to obtain nuclear material. That was used as a pretext for war. That's wrong.
AMY GOODMAN: Was it common knowledge, as some had put forth, that Valerie Plame worked for the C.I.A.?
LARRY JOHNSON: No, it's not. That is ludicrous. That's more of the spin machine working back here, unfortunately.
She was undercover, by virtue of being undercover; she claimed to work for some other organization, and would not go out and say, “wink, nudge, I work for a government agency”. That is not how it is done.
AMY GOODMAN: What did she work for? You've got people who say they work for another government agency as it sounds like you did or even though you were former intelligence officer…
LARRY JOHNSON: I'm not going to get into the specifics of how the cover works.
AMY GOODMAN: Let me ask one thing, in general I mean we have done pieces on, for example, the NOC program, which means Non-Official Cover, when a C.I.A. operative will say they're working for, say Campbell's soup or something overseas and Campbell's soup provides that cover for them.
But in fact they are working -- they are a C.I.A. operative. Could you explain that system? How that works?
LARRY JOHNSON: No. I'm not going to get into discussing what would be the sources and methods. It's public knowledge that there are two systems of cover, that there's official and not official. They're both designed to provide a protection to the individual who's put undercover as to well to allow them to perform their activities.
LARRY JOHNSON: I don't really care to be on air with Mr. Agee. I think he's a traitor and has already cost the lives of some Americans.
"Unfortunately there are elements of the Bush administration that seem intent upon plain and intense partisan politics and smearing people without dealing with the substance of issues."
LOL
Sounds to me like the CIA itself is filled with Bush-hating traitors. It is time for Bush to clean house. Now I understand why Porter Goss has had such problems with the "culture" at Langley.
OMG, he called Victoria Toensing a liar? My lord, she will get him for sure!
By lying, as the Senate Intelligence report said?
At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Apparently old Larry's not paying attention, huh? Wilson said that there probably WERE WMD in Iraq.
"Wilson said that there probably WERE WMD in Iraq."
He said DEFINITELY.
"There is now no incentive for Hussein to comply with the inspectors or to refrain from using weapons of mass destruction to defend himself if the United States comes after him.
And he will use them; we should be under no illusion about that."
Larry Johnson is a known liar.
I wonder if he's involved in Ray McGovern's group.
"Now, what the nature of that cover is, I don't know, nor do I need to know. The spin that's been put out by people like Bob Novack to suggest that she was “just an analyst”, all I can say is that I was an analyst for the four years I was at the CIA. I was in an undercover capacity the entire time, which meant that the only person who was really aware of where I was actually working was my wife. The other members of my family thought I was working with another government agency."
By the way, what Johnson is describing here is "light cover." This is NOT what the Agee law was aimed at protecting. He is purposefully misleading the audience with this.
He is in effect a liar. (As well as a leftwing stooge.)
I was talking to a friend of mine last night and told him this is a hit job done from inside the CIA. This whole thing has been a set up since before the election.
Found this trolling on DU:
Larry Johnson to give tomorrow Democratic radio address. Transcript follows:
"Good morning. I'm Larry Johnson, an American, a registered Republican, a former intelligence official at the CIA, and a friend of Valerie Plame.
I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 with Valerie. We were members of the Career Trainee Program. Senator Orin Hatch wrote the letter of recommendation for me which I believe that helped open the doors to me at the CIA.
From the first day we walked into the building, all members of my training class were undercover, including Valerie. In other words, we had to lie to our family and friends about where we worked. We could only tell those who had an absolute need to know where we worked. In my case, I told my wife.
I knew the wife of Ambassador Wilson, Valerie, as Valerie P. Even though all of us in the training class held Top Secret Clearances, we were asked to limit our knowledge of our other classmates to the first initial of their last name.
So, Larry J. knew Val P. rather than Valerie Plame. I really didn't realize what her last name was until her cover was betrayed by the Government officials who gave columnist Robert Novak her true name.
I am stunned that government officials at the highest level have such ignorance about a matter so basic to the national security structure of this nation.
Robert Novak's compromise of Valerie led to scrutiny of CIA officers that worked with her. This not only compromised her "cover" company but potentially every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company or with her.
We must put to bed the lie that she was not undercover. For starters, if she had not been undercover then the CIA would not have referred the matter to the Justice Department.
Val only told those with a need to know about her status in order to safeguard her cover, not compromise it. She was content with being known as an energy consultant married to Ambassador Joe Wilson and the mother of twins.
I voted for George Bush in November of 2000 because I was promised a President who would bring a new tone and a new ethical standard to Washington.
So where are we? The President has flip-flopped on his promise to fire anyone at the White House implicated in a leak. We now know from press reports that at least Karl Rove and "Scooter" Libby are implicated in these leaks and may have lied during the investigation.
Instead of a President concerned first and foremost with protecting this country and the intelligence officers who serve it, we are confronted with a President who is willing to sit by while political operatives savage the reputations of good Americans like Valerie and Joe Wilson.
This is wrong and this is shameful.
We deserve people who work in the White House who are committed to protecting classified information, telling the truth to the American people, and living by example the idea that a country at war with Islamic extremists cannot focus its efforts on attacking other American citizens who simply tried to tell the truth.
I am Larry Johnson.
Thank you for listening.
"I wonder if he's involved in Ray McGovern's group."
Yes.
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Larry C. Johnson, former Analyst, CIA
JOINED BY:
Mr. Brent Cavan, former Analyst, CIA
Mr. Vince Cannistraro, former Case Officer, CIA
Mr. Michael Grimaldi, former Analyst, CIA
Mr. Mel Goodman, former senior Analyst, CIA
Col. W. Patrick Lang (US Army retired), former Director, Defense Humint Services, DIA
Mr. David MacMichael, former senior estimates officer, National Intelligence Council, CIA
Mr. James Marcinkowski, former Case Officer, CIA
Mr. Ray McGovern, former senior Analyst and PDB Briefer, CIA
Mr. Jim Smith, former Case Officer, CIA
Mr. William C. Wagner, former Case Officer, CIA
But of course:
Larry Johnson
From SourceWatch
Larry C. Johnson, according to his web site (http://www.berg-associates.com/larryc.htm), The Business Exposure Reduction Group (BERG), is "CEO and co-founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm that helps multinational corporations and financial institutions identify strategic opportunities, manage risks, and counter threats posed by terrorism and money laundering.
...Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, of which he is a member
Larry Johnson - SourceWatch
http://tinyurl.com/aq6nr
I think she meant McGovern's crackpot operation: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.
And yeah, he is a member--an officer I believe.
"The article Lobdill references is The War On Clarke, by Larry C. Johnson. (Click on the title to go directly to the article.) “Larry C. Johnson is a member of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He served with the CIA from 1985 through 1989 and worked in the State Department's office of Counter Terrorism from 1989 through 1993. He also is a registered Republican who contributed financially to the Bush Campaign in 2000.”
http://tinyurl.com/83owp
Funny, Johnson contributed financially to Bush so heavily that there is no FEC record of any contributions.
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/qind/
He lives in Bethesda, Maryland. No FEC search shows any money from him to Bush or anybody. (Except possibly Dean.)
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