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The Fighting Scots-Irish
Reason ^ | July 2005 | Charles Oliver

Posted on 07/22/2005 11:34:38 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: NavyCanDo
"the darker Irish"

Sumtin in memory says that was because sum spanish blood got up/over there.....

101 posted on 07/24/2005 1:32:14 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: TR Jeffersonian

Southern Highlander ping


102 posted on 07/24/2005 1:38:44 PM PDT by kalee
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To: centurion316; neverdem

I was going to recommend Albion's Seed also.


103 posted on 07/24/2005 1:43:45 PM PDT by kalee
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To: redangus

Was it The Cousin's War?


104 posted on 07/24/2005 1:55:30 PM PDT by kalee
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To: neverdem

105 posted on 07/24/2005 2:07:41 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (secus acutulus exspiro ab Acheron bipes actio absol ab Acheron supplico)
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To: El Gato
Remember, the author, Webb, is Scots-Irish himself. He's just saying there are pluses and minuses to the culture, just as with many others. I suspect he feels the pluses far outweigh the minuses.

The author of this piece was NOT Webb, it was Charles Oliver. Oliver wrote this article to critique Webb's book, Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America. Oliver made the comment about meth, not Webb.

106 posted on 07/24/2005 3:03:15 PM PDT by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

So, where would a Quigley be found in Ireland? Where could he call home turf?


107 posted on 07/24/2005 10:39:04 PM PDT by irishtenor (At 270 pounds, I am twice the bike rider Lance is.)
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To: neverdem

Reports of our death has been exaggerated


108 posted on 07/24/2005 10:56:12 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound (FTW)
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To: litehaus

"the darker Irish" "Sumtin in memory says that was because sum spanish blood got up/over there....."


Yes, that is one theory. And it was in the Northern part of Ireland (Ulster)where the huge Spanish Armada was laid waist buy the storm. So if many sailors made it to shore as the story goes it could account for the darker Irish. But wait a minute - These guys were Latin, maybe just one or to Spanish sailors making it to shore would of been enough.


109 posted on 07/25/2005 5:30:25 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: Clemenza

The Orange Order didn't start till the early 1800's a good bit after most of the Scots-Irish already emigrated to America.


110 posted on 07/25/2005 11:08:04 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I got rejected from "Mullah Omar's Eye for the Infidel Guy")
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To: Dan from Michigan

Interesting you thing you say about surname Moore. It's one of those names that can be either English or Irish. Irish Moores (O'Moore) are of the orginal Celtic stock.


111 posted on 07/25/2005 11:17:59 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I got rejected from "Mullah Omar's Eye for the Infidel Guy")
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To: neverdem

That whole Spanish Armada thing is a whole load of exaggerated crap. The majority of the Armada who crashed off the Irish coast were killed and those who survived made their way back to Spain...not mix and marry with the native Irish. The Spanish comes in more with pre-Reformation Galway which had strong commercial connections with Spain. The whole thing about "black Irish" being descended from the Armada is a fallacy. They're descended from the pre-Celtic inhabitants who did make their way from Spain centuries before Christ (the Milesians)or the Firbolg. It reminds me of the story of when you see a supposed relic of the True Cross----if you put all the relics of the true cross together, you could probably rebuild the Spanish Armada.


112 posted on 07/25/2005 11:25:40 AM PDT by brooklyn dave (I got rejected from "Mullah Omar's Eye for the Infidel Guy")
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To: brooklyn dave
The majority of the Armada who crashed off the Irish coast were killed and those who survived made their way back to Spain...not mix and marry with the native Irish.

Do you have any links or references? They had a common enemy, the English, and both were Roman Catholic.

113 posted on 07/25/2005 2:11:47 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: archy; stainlessbanner; Eaker

Thanks for the historical post on Confederate General Cleburne, archy.


114 posted on 07/26/2005 12:50:03 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: irishtenor

There's quite a few Quigley's up round Derry and Inishowen, in fact on the road from Derry along Lough Foyle you will come across the small town of Quigley's Point.

I had my heart broken when I was 17 by a girl called Quigley, funny she looked Spanish, but it is true to say if you put all the so-called dependents of the Spanish Armada in Ireland together you could populate Madrid.


115 posted on 07/26/2005 6:25:39 AM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

***I had my heart broken when I was 17 by a girl called Quigley, ***

Wasn't me. I'm a 50 year old man.


116 posted on 07/27/2005 3:20:56 AM PDT by irishtenor (At 270 pounds, I am twice the bike rider Lance is.)
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To: dirtboy

Just another Yankee that hates the South. I deal with this scum everyday and the real reason behind the hate is their absolute fear of Southerners.


117 posted on 07/27/2005 3:35:09 AM PDT by Sentis
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To: neverdem

Charles Oliver can kiss my Scotch-Irish butt.


118 posted on 07/31/2005 12:25:59 AM PDT by Recall
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