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A Quranic concept of terrorism - (outstanding "road map"; Pakistani origins of "militant jihad!")
AMERICAN THINKER.COM ^ | JULY 22, 2005 | Dr. N.S. Rajaram

Posted on 07/22/2005 9:02:14 AM PDT by CHARLITE

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1 posted on 07/22/2005 9:02:15 AM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: Leapfrog; Critical Bill; backhoe; Stopislamnow; Fred Nerks; canalabamian; Reborn; ...
Very important article for your interest.

Char

2 posted on 07/22/2005 9:03:51 AM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Gengis Khan

Zia's Legacy.

Book sounds it's worth reading.

At least members of the USG should.


3 posted on 07/22/2005 9:11:24 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: CHARLITE

This still does not address the catch 22 of Islam. Muhammad's prime directive was to wage war on infidels until they all surrender.

There is no Islam without Muhammad, so how can anyone say that jihad against infidels is not true Islam?


4 posted on 07/22/2005 9:29:13 AM PDT by OK
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To: CHARLITE

Good article.What's it going to take to get past the pc rhetoric?What happens if terrorists(in the US)start blowing up schools,packed stadiums,or malls on a busy weekend?While islamonuts are blowing themselves up(and MURDERING innocent civilians),the msm,academians,and polititians are still beating the appeasement drum.Sickening.


5 posted on 07/22/2005 9:44:47 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: Saberwielder

ping


6 posted on 07/22/2005 9:50:58 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: CHARLITE
Interesting, although there are two things missing. First, "jihad" means striving. It is often used in the context of this article, but it also means striving in general, like striving to make yourself a better person, etc.

Second, I really don't know where the whole suicide bombing thing began, maybe invented by some fanatical, egotistic mullah with a God (Allah?) complex and political power goals. Mohammad preferred all-out open war on the battlefield during his jihad. The ones who went to heaven, the "martyrs," were the ones who fought on the battlefield with honor against a like opponent. From my understanding of the Quran, these suicide bombers are going to Muslim hell for the murder of innocents.

7 posted on 07/22/2005 10:01:31 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: CHARLITE

One of the most important and clarifying works I've read. And from a mathematician, too. Imagine that...


8 posted on 07/22/2005 10:12:03 AM PDT by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

You don't know what you're talking about.


10 posted on 07/22/2005 10:22:10 AM PDT by G32
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To: CHARLITE

BTTT


12 posted on 07/22/2005 10:42:43 AM PDT by Gritty ("The war Mohammad planned and carried out for Allah was total to the infinite degree-Brigadier Malik)
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To: G32
You don't know what you're talking about.

Really? Explain.

13 posted on 07/22/2005 10:48:44 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hugoball
Mohamed had little problem with subterfuge and dissembling to weaken an enemy.

Subterfuge and dissembling are good in wartime. Only an inept commander wouldn't use both. If you look at the context, I was talking about how the concept of suicide bombers didn't exist. It is a recent fabrication.

Lastly, Islam is a highly decentralized cult, there is no clear authority or titular leader of any sort.

Not anymore. Decentralization does cause problems with religions. Christianity has the same problem, from churches that support homosexuals to "God Hates Fags," from peaceful groups to ones that advocate the murder of doctors, and long ago the same inter-sect warfare that you see in Islam today.

We have the basic problem that weak people will get drawn to the fanatical demagogues of any religion. There are a lot of weak people in the world, and they will do the leader's bidding.

14 posted on 07/22/2005 10:58:09 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: CHARLITE

The author fails to note that Jihad is one of the pillars of Islam and no Muslim can edit Jihad out of the religion unless he wants his head separated from his body.


15 posted on 07/22/2005 11:21:12 AM PDT by Saberwielder
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To: hugoball
<>iThe secularized, western Persians who live in OC are not representative of Islam or Muslims worldwide

You just said that Islam is decentralized. These are one of the decentralized factions. There are Muslims all over who want peace, but there are two problems with them. One problem is shown in this story, the other is that what they do never makes the news. Terrorists are news, people just living their lives are not. That is why so many people don't believe they exist.

There haven't been any meaningful religious wars in Christendom for centuries

And Islam is over 600 years younger than Christianity. In the middle ages, those of the then 1,500 year-old Buddhist religion were probably wondering why Christians were running around killing people so much.

Muslims have less of an excuse though. Today's technology should allow pretty much everyone to get the message that religious wars are not a good thing. Unfortunately, most of the terrorists get their news from only one source: their demagogue Mullahs.

17 posted on 07/22/2005 12:34:29 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hugoball

Oops, in my post referred to an article about how moderate Muslims should speak up and turn in the terrorists.

BTW, you're harping on how the religion is now. This article is about the Quranic concepts behind terrorism. I merely pointed out that I found nothing in the Quran supporting suicide bombers, and those murderers going to heaven.


18 posted on 07/22/2005 12:37:34 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hugoball
The truth is that a huge % of Muslims worldwide are sympathetic toward anything that they perceive pokes a stick in the eye of the West,

Again, you're going on contemporary Islam, not the Quran. As you said, what these people believe is what their governments and mullahs want them to believe. And that is usually not friendly to the West.

The religious leaders are powerful because the people make them so is more accurate than the idea that the people would be tolerant and secular if the religious leaders weren't stirring them up

Ah, the chicken and the egg. In Iraq, it's really about power. The minority Sunnis are used to running things, and don't want it to stop. The Shiites are actually showing great restraint, with their leaders pleading for the people not to retaliate for Sunni violence, thus continuing the cycle.

You know people don't want to admit that they are the source of their own problems. These religious leaders point to the West as the source and the people gather around them secure in the knowledge that their situation isn't their fault. Claiming an outside enemy is a great way to get people to rally around you, whether the enemy exists (as in the terrorists helping Bush win his second term), or doesn't (as in the mullahs telling their people that we are the reason for their desperate situation).

Frankly, it is my hope that the West begins the process of radically critiquing Islam and subjecting it's central texts to both scrutiny and open mockery

If you've read about any of the Bible inerrantists, you know that there will still be holdouts when all errors are laid open. But for the Quran that process already started years ago, and the authors are not yet dead. Of course, they don't dare study in any of the Muslim theocracies. They are not all as brave as Martin Luther, nor do they have the powerful protection of a Prince Frederick.

20 posted on 07/22/2005 1:54:26 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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