Posted on 07/20/2005 5:46:32 AM PDT by Ragnar Danneskjold
FoxNews covering now.
My guess is that it IS a coincidence, primarily because if he resigned because he knew something bad was about to happen, and then it DID happen, it would be absolute proof that the Saudi government is complicit in terror attacks. It would be impossible for us to avoid punishing them for that, and I think they are more savvy than that.
Of course, they got off with not so much as a slap on the wrist for being home to 15 of 19 hijackers on 9/11 and for exporting and funding Wahhabism all over the world, so what do I know?
For real. Need a good source...wait a minute, is there a good source left? Nevermind, I will look myself.
My brother-in-law has worked international and domestic oil rigs for thirty years and is now unemployed. He had begun the red tape to sign a contract to work in Saudi, taking my sister along. Thank goodness he backed out.
Of course, they got off with not so much as a slap on the wrist for being home to 15 of 19 hijackers on 9/11They were intentionally selected to discredit the Saudis in American eyes. Bin Laden's fondest wish is the overthrow of the Saud family. This dates back to their 1990 decision that American troops would be a better guarantee of the nation's safety than OBL recruited "mujahideen".
-Eric
That's true, but at the same time those men and the ideology that fueled them are very much the product of the Wahhabi strain of Islam, which is the strain of Islam funded by the Saudi royal family, and which is taught in the state-run mosques in S.A. So it is not as though they are totally blameless in all of this.
That's true, but at the same time those men and the ideology that fueled them are very much the product of the Wahhabi strain of Islam, which is the strain of Islam funded by the Saudi royal family, and which is taught in the state-run mosques in S.A. So it is not as though they are totally blameless in all of this.That's like blaming the anti-abortion movement for Eric Rudolph or the reaction to Waco for Tim McVeigh. These Saudis were acting at the behest of Bin Laden, a sworn enemy of the Saudi government.
-Eric
No, it's like blaming extremist movements for their most virulent supporters. Face it: some elements of the anti-abortion crowd DO advocate violence, and I actually do blame them in part for Eric Rudolph. Wahhabism preaches violence and jihad. The Saudis fund it. Thus, I blame them when Wahhabists feel compelled to attack the U.S. I know that it was bin Laden's plan to embarass the Saudis, but the Saudis are doing a pretty good job of it on their own.
Truer words were never spoke.
The real truth about Saudi Arabia is yeah, this is a country behind everything bad going on in the world. Because they have the most to lose. That House of Saud is some many hundreds of do-nothing princes living high on the hog with oil money that isn't theirs to begin with.
They've effectively used religion to control the restless populace, with some help from the secret society of "social good" police.
But two things: first-the American people themselves would have to "suffer" some inconvenience if we ever took that House of Saud to task. To politicians, this is anathema. They need the votes and it's always been a rule for politicians not to bother Americans with restrictions on their cars or homes.
The above scenario assumes Americans aren't made of the right stuff and couldn't live with higher gas prices or even some shortages. Americans would do it if led by a proper and strong leader with good communication skills and a righteous cause.
Just exposing all of the Saudi mischief with everything going on in the world would probably be enough.
The biggest problem, if America confronted the House of Saud head on, however and whatever that means, it would be our ALLIES who would suffer more than America.
Japan, for instance, would be crippled. The US has a diverse source of oil at least enough to prevent an errant country's politics from destroying our economy.
So we have to smile and show teeth when in the company of a tablecloth-wearing nimrod descendent of a camel Saudi prince and act like they are our friends.
Because for America to instigate anything with the House of Saud that might disrupt their greatest source of power, their gushing oil wells, and its worldwide distribution, would not only cause our economy to wobble, it might well destroy other economies; economies of peoples who are completely innocent.
So we play the game and behind the scenes stuff is being discovered, heads are put on the block and the President of the US, silly man, keeps making the point for Democracy and this really pisses off those with camel genes and power.
So to the poster, you do know what you know and you know damn well what you saw.
You are now seeing an administration trying desperately to deal with it, effecting change in countries across the planet, firm in its very true message. All while accompanied by the liberal baying hounds of those who are either in on the wealth, feel part of the happening scene, or are struggling to keep their own shreds of power.
The human being is not going to stand still for being controlled by others. In due course and with an eye on the eightball, who knows, someday Saudi women might even be allowed to legally drive.
Good post.
I think that R&D towards a viable alternative for oil should be THE national priority right now. It's certainly just as important as putting a man on the moon was in the 1960s, much more so in fact. It will be expensive as hell, and will take decades, but every year we twiddle our thumbs and peck at the issue from the outside, we do ourselves and our children a tremendous disservice.
I don't agree with his choice, but he is free to make it.
I read not long ago that Prince Bandar was having personal problems, depression supposedly. This was preventing him from being his usual smiling self with US politicians and the media, so he was said to be close to asking to resign because he knew he wasn't being effective.
Fair enough. We want them dead too. Let the rumble finally begin.
"Let the rumble begin". If only. It appears it will be a slow leak.
"You can only push good people so far."
General Sam Huston
April 21, 1836
Just before the battle of San Jacinto
I will hold that thought!
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