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Harry Potter and the Decline of the West (Spengler)
Asia Times ^ | Jul 20, 2005 | By Spengler

Posted on 07/18/2005 9:57:30 PM PDT by Eurotwit

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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
The Veronica Lake movie is a CLASSIC!

She made a lot of great movies, but sadly had a short career and yes, her later life was one of hardship and decline.

261 posted on 07/19/2005 1:36:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons; dsc

Get ahold of a non-Bowdlerized version of the Grimm Fairy Tales. Rolling a naked woman in a barrel studded with nails was just one of the lovely fates in that book.


262 posted on 07/19/2005 1:40:59 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: nopardons
re: Veronica Lake

Beautiful woman!

263 posted on 07/19/2005 1:42:24 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Junior
Oh, I have! :-)

I loved, as a tiny child, the fact that Cinderella's stepsisters cut of a heel for one and the toes for the other, to make the glass slipper fit their feet and that the drops of blood, which fell from the shoe, as the Prince was taking each back to the palaces, spoke, as they fell to the ground and alerted him that he had the wrong girl. Also, I enjoyed the ending, with the blackbirds pecking out their eyes, as they stood on the castle ramparts, watching the wedding procession of Cinderella and the Prince.

And then there's the rape of SLEEPING BEAUTY, by the Prince who finds her, his wife's ( yes, he was married, when he had almost necrophiliac sex with SB ) boiling one or both ( depends which version is read )of his bastard children with SB and serving him/her/them to him for dinner.

I could go on and on, but I guess you know about all of these juicy tidbits. LOL

264 posted on 07/19/2005 1:48:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Yes, she was and she also had a very lovely, distinctive voice.


265 posted on 07/19/2005 1:49:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
The cooking and serving of the kids is straight out of that Greek myth. I wish I could remember the one ...

Of course, someone will eventually point out that the witch in Hansel and Gretel cooked and ate kids.

And then there's Baba Yaga...

266 posted on 07/19/2005 1:53:01 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: nopardons

Indeed she did. "Elegance."


267 posted on 07/19/2005 1:54:58 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Bryher1

There doesn't seem to be a religious element to Christmas in HP. I do not recall a reference to God at all in HP, though I'm certainly no avid reader, having read only half of them (to my daughter, before she starte to read them herself).


268 posted on 07/19/2005 2:16:48 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Junior

Lessons in fairy tales ? Not in all of them by any means.


269 posted on 07/19/2005 2:18:27 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Junior
BEAUTY AND THE BEAST is a direct steal from the Cupid and Pysche story and Cinderella has elements from that myth as well.

The witch, in Hansel and Gretel BAKED children in an oven...a for-shadowing of the Nazis?

And yes, Babba Yaga ate children and adults. She was really a bogey, rather than a witch, though.

King Lycaon fed Zeus a meal of human flesh. Zeus changed him into a wolf, for punishment. ( Origin of werewolves ?)

Cronos swallowed all of his children ( the Olympian gods and goddesses ), but Zeus killed him and they were save.

Zeus swalloed Athena's mother, when she was preggers, but later, Athena sprung full grown and dressed in armor, from his head.

There are lots of Greek and Roman and Norse myths, about cannibalism.

270 posted on 07/19/2005 2:22:34 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

And "SULLIVAN'S TRAVELLS", as well as many others.


271 posted on 07/19/2005 2:24:01 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: MarkL

Thanks for the Draco information.


272 posted on 07/19/2005 3:28:33 PM PDT by dennisw ( G_d - Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: Rightfootforward; Veto!
For convenience sake, I offer Harold Bloom's commentary on Potter. It mirrors my own 100%.
From Dumbing down American readers By Harold Bloom, 9/24/2003: What's happening is part of a phenomenon I wrote about a couple of years ago when I was asked to comment on Rowling. I went to the Yale University bookstore and bought and read a copy of "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone." I suffered a great deal in the process. The writing was dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs." I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times.
As has since been noted use use of the phrase "stretched his legs." to refer to going for a walk does not occur "several dozen times" in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone , but just one (1) time (on page 4 - which is probably as far as thst old fraud Bloom actually read).

Harold Bloom doesn't only look like a decayed Michael Moore.

273 posted on 07/19/2005 3:49:35 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I never read a book before previewing it; it prejudices a man so. - Sydney Smith)
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To: Tax-chick
Some people go through life filling in the blank on "I'm better than you, because _______," for everyone else in the world.

Those people have severe self-esteem issues. When one accepts oneself for the person one is, there is no need to try to bring down others.

274 posted on 07/19/2005 4:20:06 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: dsc; Rightfootforward
Been a Bloom fan since "The Closing of the American Mind."

ha! ha!

Allan Bloom (Wrote The Closing of the American Mind)

Harold Bloom (Harry Potter hating old fart)

Orlando Bloom (left-wimg guiser)

275 posted on 07/19/2005 4:22:09 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I never read a book before previewing it; it prejudices a man so. - Sydney Smith)
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To: exDemMom

Exactly.


276 posted on 07/19/2005 4:26:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Democrats ... frolicking on the wilder shores of Planet Zongo.)
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To: dsc
Ya know, it might just be prudent to wait a bit and see what the NTSB has to say about this crash

Allen Bloom, isn't that? Same cat wrote The Closing of the American Mind?

I have both those books on shelves somewhere or other. Haven't read them since soon after they came out, but both stuck in my mind; at least the theses did.

I have young friends who are as wilfully ignorant as your co-workers; and yet I know other young people that seek and read the great works of Western Civilisation. I suspect that the latter are a minority, and that they have always been a minority.

Yes, the officers of the British Expeditionary Force in France in 1917 could all chart out Latin cases and knew their way around the classics, as could the women of their class. But the great bulk of the soldiery could not, and yet the British Empire was at its historic peak.

No doubt, some prissy academic wannabee of the day could have looked at the music-hall entertainments of the troops and pronounced the collapse of the English language then, at the very time some of the finest and most moving poetry in this tongue was being written.

d.o.l.

criminal number 18f

277 posted on 07/19/2005 5:24:01 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Bob Byrd: "I was a boy in a hood before Boyz n the Hood")
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To: Criminal Number 18F
No doubt, some prissy academic wannabee of the day could have looked at the music-hall entertainments of the troops and pronounced the collapse of the English language

Actually I suspect there has been a greater decline in the standards of imntellectuals than the commoners.

Prissy academics back then were too busy to sneer at the mass culture.

278 posted on 07/19/2005 5:52:15 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (I never read a book before previewing it; it prejudices a man so. - Sydney Smith)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Yes, the officers of the British Expeditionary Force in France in 1917 could all chart out Latin cases and knew their way around the classics, as could the women of their class. But the great bulk of the soldiery could not, and yet the British Empire was at its historic peak.

Actually, the British officers of 1917 were mostly middle and upper middle class folks and not the aristocrats of three years earlier. The latter had pretty much ceased to exist between the fighting retreat of 1914 and the disasterous Somme offensive of 1916.

279 posted on 07/19/2005 6:37:11 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Junior
the British officers of 1917 were mostly middle and upper middle class folks

Who tended to have a pretty decent education by today's measures. (My favourite of the poets was from an upper-class, although not ennobled, family: Siegfried Sassoon. They of course were never ennobled because they were not C of E. Siegfried spent much of 1917 in Craiglockhart nuthouse).

English schools were pretty decent until the 1960s and 1970s, when a campaign of levelling eliminated the separate tracks for knowledge workers (Grammar Schools) and labourers (Secondary Moderns), and consolidated all secondary education at the lower level (Secondary Comprehensives). It created a business opportunity for a lot of new private schools, though.

I've encountered many graduates (and even dropouts) of the grammar schools that have a cultural knowledge level higher than today's college graduates.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

280 posted on 07/19/2005 7:22:49 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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