Groups fighting illegal immigration spread

Kansas City Star ^ | July 17, 2005 | Duncan Mansfield (A.P.)

[mthom]

lol Sure. Have you discovered you were wrong in saying that the "guest workers" would have to apply for permanent residence from their home country yet? Or is that another fact youre choosing to ignore?

[Cultural Jihad]

I want ALL illegal immigration shut down yesterday.

And I would like a Jaguar and an ocean-going yacht, and for world peace to sprout everywhere. Should we hold our breaths and stomp our feet?

[FBD]

Swamp-Stick just pulls numbers out of thin air.
He constantly does that. Good job calling him out.

Regards

[FBD]

>"We have translators in hospitals, social services, police stations, schools etc. All required by law"<

Hey HT,
I appreciate your info. I look to you for the straight scoop! :)

Wasn't there a requirement that the HHS recently tried (unsuccessfully) to implement with hospitals, and doctors , requiring them to provide Hispanic translators, Espanol documents and etc?

I seem to recall reading something about that.

[hedgetrimmer]

Wasn't there a requirement that the HHS recently tried (unsuccessfully) to implement with hospitals, and doctors , requiring them to provide Hispanic translators, Espanol documents and etc?

There was a thread only a day or two ago, about the 11th hour order (it may have been an executive order) that would require translators at health care facilities. I can't remember the name of the thread now, I was trying to find it earlier today. It is in force right now.

The order is, of course causing major trauma on our health care system function and financial status.

[FBD]

>"It's been an hour now since I posed the question to bayourod AGAIN. You have posted since I last asked you to provide documentation for your statement that 20% of Marines are hispanic."<

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-The current percentage of Marines who are of Hispanic decent is about 13 percent. Here's a link to that info in this article from the Puerto Rico Herald.

BTW, the term "Hispanic" is defined by the U.S. Census Bureau as Spanish-speaking people in the United States of any race.

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http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2004/vol8n42/MakingDifference.shtml

"The Hispanic community is the fastest growing in the country and will account for about 44 percent of the population growth from 2000 to 2020, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. About 13 percent of Marines are Hispanic and there are more than 25 Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients."

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[FBD]

thanks HT.

I'm going to see if I can find that info.
An executive order? Good grief.
No way most doctors offices and hospitals can afford that.
Ridiculous.

[Graybeard58]

Thanks for the info and link in #126. My next question to him, if he ever answered the first one was just how he defined hispanic. My dictionary defines it the same as you did - Spanish speaking of any nationality.

These people who are getting all worked up about the plight of the poor illegal aliens need to take a trip to the southwest U.S, and see the abject poverty of American Indians living on reservations. I recently returned from Arizona & New Mexico and I haven't seen that kind of poverty since rural Mississippi in the 60s.

[iconoclast]

About 13 percent of Marines are Hispanic and there are more than 25 Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients."

Those are pretty impressive numbers and bear out what one sees on news out of Iraq. My guess would be that most of the "Hispanics" would be Mexicans.

And, to further clarify my position on this issue, my lifelong experience with working with and living with Mexican immigrants has been very positive.

That said, nothing justifies the absolute mess that constitutes our border and immigration agencies.

[FBD]

>"Those are pretty impressive numbers and bear out what one sees on news out of Iraq. My guess would be that most of the "Hispanics" would be Mexicans."<

- My guess would be, that most of the Hispanics in our military would be: *Americans.*
:^)

Regards

[hedgetrimmer]

Delivery Room Translators Needed With Rise In Immigrant Births

Report Says Almost 1 In 4 U.S. Births Is To Foreign-Born Mother

POSTED: 6:42 am EDT July 18, 2005

UTICA, N.Y. -- The man from Bosnia was just not understanding. His wife was in labor at a central New York hospital and the doctor was trying to explain in English the need for a Caesarean section.

Horrified, the man translated incorrectly and told his wife the baby was dead, and it would have to be cut out of her. The woman went into shock. Though the baby was healthy, she couldn't take care of it for a week.

Almost one in four American births is now to a foreign-born mother, according to a recent report by the Center for Immigration Studies. The result, medical experts and advocates say, is a growing pressure on American health care centers to not only deliver babies, but deliver them in more languages than one.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 says hospitals that get federal money must provide interpreter services. It just doesn't say how. Most hospitals reach out with phone-based interpretation services. But critics say the phone has limitations, especially during childbirth.

"What, are they going to pass the receiver back and forth while the doctor is catching the baby?" asked Dr. Francesca Gany, director of the Center for Immigrant Health at the New York University School of Medicine. "Health care facilities are definitely feeling the heat."

The Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations is studying the link between medical error and interpretation issues, Gany said. And the National Health Law Program is looking at how small health care providers can offer language services. A report by the Washington-based Institute of Medicine said 56 percent of such providers surveyed had received no language training.

Though studies are underway, there are no national numbers for access to, or use of, interpreter services in health care. But there are some telling samples.

Cost is a barrier and most hospitals told the New Jersey survey that reimbursement for translation services is needed. A 2002 study by the National Association of Children's Hospitals found interpreting costs at 22 hospitals ranged from $1,800 to $847,000 per year.

http://www.local10.com/health/4734650/detail.html

[FBD]

>"My next question to him, if he ever answered the first one was just how he defined hispanic"<

I'm sure 'ol Swamp-Stick's view is that a Hispanic is exclusively of Mexican decent.
He's (by his own statements) in the resteraunt business.

Funny thing is, inspte of all his multi-cultural hoopla, Palillo Del Pantano (Swamp Stick, in Spanish) doesn't speak a word of Espanol...Not a lick. Zilch, nada, *cero*.

Isn't that odd?

[FBD]

Bookmarked
Thanks, HT

[jmc813]

Opposed, and that is why I support President Bush's proposal for a guest worker program, as it matches our American values with the reality of our needs.

Small businesses will be hurt by such a program, as they currently pay illegals less than minimum wage. If they are legalized, labor costs will skyrocket.

[dirtboy]

No matter how many times the word "illegal" is inserted, it can never mask the stench of hate speech.

No matter how many times you utter that nonsense, it doesn't change the fact that you are resorting to despicable liberal tactics in an attempt to slime good people.

[Cultural Jihad]

Small businesses will be hurt by such a program, as they currently pay illegals less than minimum wage. If they are legalized, labor costs will skyrocket.

I doubt that instituting a guest worker program will rescind the law of supply and demand or affect the wages. Businesses pay their employees what they are worth.

[jmc813]

I doubt that instituting a guest worker program will rescind the law of supply and demand or affect the wages. Businesses pay their employees what they are worth.

The illegal status of the workers is what enables the business to pay sub-minimum wages. With the workers legalized, smaller businesses such as restaurants will definitely be affected negatively.

[FBD]

jmc813; >"Small businesses will be hurt by such a program, as they currently pay illegals less than minimum wage. If they are legalized, labor costs will skyrocket."<

CJ: >"I doubt that instituting a guest worker program will rescind the law of supply and demand or affect the wages."<

- I believe jmc813 has a point. Bayourod posted an article praising "undocumented workers". The article pointed out a study that said they were getting paid 20% less, then legal immigrants were getting paid.

>"Businesses pay their employees what they are worth."<

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> Uh-uh, that's BS.
Tell that to the folks who work in Chinese sweat shops, sewing our $150.00 athletic for U.S companies.
Meanwhile, the sports stars get paid millions for merely endorsing these shoes. These sports stars are also playing in multimillion dollar taxpayer subsidized stadiums and arenas.

Many businesses (unfortunately) try to squeeze the blue collar employee down to as low a wage as possible. The end result being 14 year old girls making our clothes in Communist China.

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BTW, a little aside comment to you, CJ; judging from your earlier comments to me, it appears you want a bilingual society, where people can't undersand each other:

Usted me demandó era perezoso, porque deseo inglés como lengua oficial para este país. Bien, usted ha estado traduciendo estos postes, usted idiota multicultural del jihad?

;^D

[FBD]

RE: >"So your laziness to understand another must be codified into law?"<

Usted me demando era perezoso, porque deseo Ingles como lengua oficial para este país. Bien, usted ha estado traduciendo estos postes, usted idiota multi-cultural del jihad?

Pero usted no habla una palabra del espanol, le hace, usted farsante!

;^D

[iconoclast]

My guess would be, that most of the Hispanics in our military would be: *Americans.*

Quite a few aren't.

But your point is acknowledged. ;-)