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1 posted on 07/15/2005 12:10:50 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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Well, well, well. Look who popped his head up. John Dean.


142 posted on 07/15/2005 3:16:08 PM PDT by hansel
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If Rove's leak fails to fall under the statute that was used to prosecute Randel, I do not understand why.

Try this:

Jonathan Randel, a DEA intelligence analyst, leaked the classified information that Lord Michael Ashcroft, a conservative Brit, was in the DEA files. Randel's leak was intended to publicly smear Lord Ashcroft – to falsely imply that Ashcroft was a money launderer under investigation by the DEA.

Karl Rove is the senior advisor to Bush, not a CIA employee. His knowledge of Valerie Wilson’s employment by the CIA was from reporter hearsay, not from classified government documents. Was it illegal for Rove to discuss Valerie Wilson's employer? Of course not. In D.C., everyone knows someone who works for the CIA, and that information routinely comes up in conversations. Since the “outing a covert CIA agent” allegation has now been discredited by Joe Wilson himself, and since “outing a CIA employee” is commonplace and legal, what is left to prosecute? Oh yes, the revelation of the story behind Joe Wilson’s hiring, one false version of which Wilson himself spread all over the media. So, for Wilson to reveal that he was hired by Dick Cheney was legal, but for Rove to reveal that Wilson was not hired by Dick Cheney was illegal?

Try again, John Dean. Oh yes, and when is that lawsuit against Gordon Liddy coming up?

144 posted on 07/15/2005 4:03:39 PM PDT by TChad
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This is REALLY funny considering what's happened today.

I haven't had this much fun watching the RATS in ages!

145 posted on 07/15/2005 4:53:16 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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John Dean is the most vile piece of human scum ever to pop out of a womb.

He's got less intelligence that bacteria on a flea biting a dog's butt.


146 posted on 07/15/2005 4:55:36 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Right now I can't decide which political party is trying to commit suicide faster.)
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any idea of what karl rove did wrong, that he would be convicted of in a court of law?

or, is it just the kangeroo court of the media?


148 posted on 07/15/2005 5:03:59 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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John Dean must have missed the newswires this morning that revealed Rove confirmed the story for reporters, that he never found out about Plame, it was the press who brought it to his attention. Confirming a news story is NOT a crime. I hazard now in this wake of all this, that it doesn't look good for the MSM and the Democrats who rushed to judgment. Their hatred of Rove and Bush was greater than their respect for the truth. Now they look like total asses.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
149 posted on 07/15/2005 5:08:53 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Hey Dean? Did your callgirl-turned-wife Mo Dean stop charging you after you got married?

Or did she just hit you with a nuisance tax?

G. Gordon Liddy has made a second career out of kicking John Dean's ass.

Looks good on ya, ya f--kin weasel.


151 posted on 07/15/2005 5:27:37 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth (Psssst!! Joe Wilson = Valerie Plame's Pimp Daddy. Pass it on.)
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Let's see...wasn't it last month that Tom DeLay was practically out the door? Of course, when they found out that most Dems had taken more lobbyist money than Tom, the bottom fell out of that story. I have a feeling by this time next month, we won't remember what the Rove fuss was all about either. Dems are pathetic.


152 posted on 07/15/2005 5:30:49 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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hey, Dean... you Clymer!!!

155 posted on 07/15/2005 6:23:58 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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John Dean. John Dean. Oh yeah. The guy who married the hooker so he could shut her up.


157 posted on 07/15/2005 9:07:50 PM PDT by GVnana
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The member-loving rodent lawyer squeaks. Looks like the Left has emptied the dusty ammo room.


158 posted on 07/15/2005 9:41:53 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Mark Levin and Ann Coulter for SCOTUS!)
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Quick question; who officially sent Wilson to Niger?


162 posted on 07/16/2005 11:20:26 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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Most relevant for Karl Rove's situation, count one of Randel's indictment alleged a violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 641. This is a law that prohibits theft (or conversion for one's own use) of government records and information for non-governmental purposes. But its broad language covers leaks, and it has now been used to cover just such actions.
This angle has not been discussed. Dean is not asserting a violation of 50 USC 461, and in fact his article says that Rove did NOT violate the "disclosure of covert agents" law.
163 posted on 07/16/2005 12:03:53 PM PDT by Cboldt
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Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful ("hot") wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)


165 posted on 07/17/2005 4:34:04 PM PDT by FReethesheeples (Gonzales appears to be quite WEAK on Property rights!)
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