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Bush to Lobby for CAFTA in North Carolina
Associated Press via Forbes ^ | July 15, 2005 | unattributed

Posted on 07/15/2005 8:36:53 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: jb6
So, tell me please, what the average person (in second world nations) is going to be able to buy that is American made?

Depending on whose figures one uses, the CAFTA-DR region purchased between 11 and 15 billion dollars' worth of U.S. goods last year. It might not be for you, but to me that is real money.

121 posted on 07/15/2005 5:30:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Mase
Thanks for the sources you included in your post --113  quite a "Who's Who" of the anti-CAFTA crowd.

These debates seem to go into a kind of polarization.  On one side are self supporting free merchant types who research the issues and can site sources; and the other side are them that simply decide that they'll be better off with other people's taxes are raised.

122 posted on 07/15/2005 5:37:37 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: 1rudeboy
your post 120-- terrific one-liner!   I laughed so hard I almost choked!
123 posted on 07/15/2005 5:39:33 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Look, everyone knows that the federal government is using my tax dollars and the tax dollars of every working American to fund "trade capacity building" giveaways in the CAFTA countries so the transnational corporations don't have to spend their own money doing it. Being an ex-pat, I guess you don't care about the Americans who still live and work in this country. Most of us would rather have that money not taken out of our paychecks, we really don't want it to go to foreign countries for the benefit of the socialist ideology that we are going to "lift their boats" by redistributing American wealth to them.

The CAFTA is as phony as anything can get. When its pointed out that its about sustainable development and the FTAA and hemispheric integration, even more so that tariffs, you "free traders" all start pinging each other and in classic Alinski style try to redirect the discussion away from those points. Sustainable development is global socialist control of private property. It is featured in the preamble of the CAFTA very prominently. If you support CAFTA you must be a socialist who hates private property, otherwise sustainable development would never be included in a phony trade bill. No true American would ever approve that loss of sovereignty for his fellow Americans.


124 posted on 07/15/2005 6:12:14 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: expat_panama

More sustainable development. More American tax dollars unconstitutionally given to NGOs to promote global socialist programs in Central America. If you're so hot on protecting your own pocketbooks, why would you want to take from the rest of us to support the unconstitutional CAFTA?

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U.S. Funds Program Supporting Humane Agriculture and Wildlife Protection in Central American FTA Partners
Contact: Richard Mills/Ricardo Reyes | (202) 395-3230 10/02/2003

SAN SALVADOR, El Salvador – U.S. Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick today announced that the U.S. government, through its Agency for International Development (USAID), will make a $500,000 contribution to the CAFTA Alliance Fund of the Humane Society of the United States. These funds will support environmentally sustainable and humane agriculture as well as the protection of wildlife and habitat in Central American countries currently negotiating a U.S.-Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). The announcement took place at Shuchil, a small Salvadoran company that produces organic soaps, including a line of natural shampoos and soaps for pets.

"The United States is working to link aid with trade, and to partner with private groups that can promote sustainable development in the CAFTA region," said Zoellick. "There is a growing market in the United States for organic and environmentally-friendly products. In this project, USAID will join with the Humane Society to assist small producers in our Central American FTA partners who want to sell organic products to high-value specialty markets in the United States and elsewhere."

Shuchil is operated out of the home of Ms. Matilde Carillo de Palomo in San Salvador. The company produces organic soaps and shampoos, many of which are made from traditional Mayan formulas and ingredients. Most of the company’s employees are women from rural areas outside of San Salvador. Shuchil is seeking to expand its exports of a line of natural pet products, such as shampoos and soaps for pets. The Humane Society will provide technical assistance to Shuchil in having its products certified and sold under the "Certified Humane" label in the United States and Europe.

"We appreciate the leadership and creativity of the Humane Society in working to support sustainable trade with Central America. This grant shows that the U.S. government, environmental groups and the private sector can work together to find winwin solutions that help everyone benefit from the CAFTA," said Zoellick.

Zoellick is visiting Central America October 1-3, to discuss the ongoing U.S.-Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) negotiations with the Presidents of Costa Rica, El Salvador, and Nicaragua; Central American trade ministers; legislators; and, members of the private sector and civil society.

BACKGROUND

The $500,000 contribution from the U.S. Agency for International Development will help support humane slaughter of animals, in addition to improving customs regulations to control illicit trade in animals. A sustainable agriculture component of the program will support the export of organic products such as Shuchil’s shampoos and soaps, the export of organic cacao, and the promotion of high quality organic coffee. The Humane Society, working with its partners in the CAFTA Alliance Fund, will also provide funds for this effort.

The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) is a member of the Trade and Environment Policy Advisory Committee, which advises the U.S. Trade Representative and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on international trade and environmental issues. HSUS was one of the first non-governmental organizations to become a resource partner in capacity building efforts supporting the CAFTA negotiations.

The CAFTA Alliance is a group of non-government and private sector groups dedicated to sustainable development in Central America. Led by the Humane Society of the United States, it also includes Counterpart International, Earth Council Costa Rica, Earth Voice and resource partners such as Stewart and Stewart of Washington, DC, Caribbean Conservation Corporation of Costa Rica, Humane Farm Animal Care of Herndon, Virginia, ARCAS (Asociación de Rescate y Conservación de Vida Silvestre) in Guatemala, AMARAS of Honduras, SalvaNatura of El Salvador, FAZOONIC (Fundacion Amigos del Zoolologic Nicaraguense) of Nicaragua, ForesTrade of Vermont and Guatemala and Costa Rican Cocoa, San Jose, Costa Rica.


125 posted on 07/15/2005 6:32:53 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
. . . even more so that tariffs, you "free traders" all start pinging each other and in classic Alinski style try to redirect the discussion away from those points.

Good Lord, Alinsky again? Your definition of his "style" is so broad that nearly every response on this thread fits your model. Including your reply above, I should add.

126 posted on 07/15/2005 6:36:49 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
try to redirect the discussion away

Keeping to the subject, if you're so hot on letting people keep their money in their wallets, how can you support CAFTA when it promotes sustainable development and uses our tax money to fund it?
127 posted on 07/15/2005 7:01:26 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

What the heck do you care about other peoples' money?


128 posted on 07/16/2005 7:22:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: mlc9852
What textile mills? I didn't think we had any still operating.

That's why he is there to shut them down, and send the mills to Nicaragua. He is a good conner. He conned me into voting for him twice.

129 posted on 07/16/2005 7:58:50 AM PDT by swampfox98 (How American became a nation of traitors: Greed, corrupt politicians and religious leaders.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
...Being an ex-pat, I guess you don't care...

Being a hedge trimmer you need to realize that those of us who pay taxes to support your gardening are ready for you to get a better job than just trimming hedges.   Unless your name is misleading.  You haven't been able to figure this out, but pay attention here because this is important: sometimes freeper names can be misleading.

130 posted on 07/16/2005 8:39:23 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: 1rudeboy
What the heck do you care about other peoples' money?

"I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people by the people, for the people, whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a Republic; a sovereign Nation of many sovereign States; a perfect Union, one and inseparable; established upon those principls of freedom, equality, justice, and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.

I therefore believe it is my duty to my Country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey its laws; to respect its flag, and to defend it againest all enemies."

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Now, CAFTA is NOT of the people by the people, for the people. Especially the parts that implement sustainable develeopment and hemispheric integration.
131 posted on 07/16/2005 9:25:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: RegulatorCountry
Why the apparent antipathy toward the domestic textile industry? We'll end up having quite a dependent underclass, like we need another dependent underclass of any kind, but this time consisting of former manufacturing workers who lack the education to perform other jobs that have any hope of paying as well or better.

I grew up in Lincoln Co. NC, and that is pretty much what happened there. I remember kids dropping out of school at 16 to go work in the mills. They figured "I'm getting stuck on the mills anyway, so why bother to go on with school." Then NAFTA came along, and their dependable mill job went south. What ever menial labor jobs that are left go to the illegals. There are big vacant mill lots all over the county. It is sad. Smalltown NC has been getting screwed by politicians from both parties for the last 15 years. Not just on trade policies, but on the illegal immigraton policies also. Jesse Helms was one of the few who would take a stand against this nonsense.

132 posted on 07/16/2005 4:19:53 PM PDT by flair2000
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