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Factions line up for two Texas Hispanics (Garza and Gonzalez)
The Houston Chronicle ^ | 7/7/05 | MICHAEL HEDGES

Posted on 07/08/2005 12:48:56 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: deport

I often wonder why the "Radical Latino Base" in this nation does not go after the likes of Vincente Fox. Mexico is a nation of wealth. Mineral wise it exceeds the USA. Instead of confronting you "crooked leadership" you come to the USA and fight an uphill battle. You send your money home while you live in the back of pickups and on river banks. GO HOME and take what is yours. That little bunch up at the top can not hold you back. We will show you how to make a democracy. We are doing it in Iraq at this very moment. Do not suck away our energy to support your failing society go build your own. Or should I say rebuild your own. This will probably get me in big trouble here. Truth is truth.


61 posted on 07/08/2005 4:23:17 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: deport
AAMA should have dropped their affiliation with La Raza long ago. I would have stepped off the board and quit the AAMA over it.

Besides, non-Latino children in Houston have problems too. I'm sure the Rotarians and other similar MAINSTREAM organizations are addressing these issues with ALL of Houston's children, not just the "Latino" ones.

Finally, if it doesn't pass the smell test below, I don't go for it. Would this ever be tolerated if it were an organization targeted just at White/Anglo students/audiences? No, as it shouldn't be in either case. I've never understood this need for American hispanics to hole themselves away in Hispanic organizations rather than "mainstreaming" and "assimilating".

62 posted on 07/08/2005 4:29:22 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
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To: Sterco

This will probably get me in big trouble here. Truth is truth.



I hope not as you have valid points..... My contention is that if you apply the existing laws to this problem of illegal immigration especially from the southern border it can be halted or almost stopped in its tracks... But what is going to be needed is the full force of our legal system against the employer who hires the illegal, the illegal themselves, the removal of welfare to those that are illegal and drawing it, the deportation of all illegals, etc....

I have no problem of people coming here to work if they come legally. If our legal requirements need changing then let the Congress do so.

My concern on this thread is that I personally think Gonzales gets a bum rap and has done so via the so called conservatives. If he is truly that liberal, out of the main stream, etc then that speaks volumes about President Bush's ability to know someone that he has held in confidence over the past 12 years or so. Gonzales has been his adviser over those years and my bet is President Bush has had many one on one conversations with him and has a fairly good insight into what makes him tick. Maybe not but if I've worked with someone for that long I think I would know something about their personal feelings... jmo.


63 posted on 07/08/2005 4:40:13 PM PDT by deport
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To: hispanarepublicana

Besides, non-Latino children in Houston have problems too.



Yep I'm sure they do and I hope that any organization that can help them does..... I personally don't care if they are of the same ethnic background or not.

A lot of what you or I would do has nothing to do with how the real world operates. At least he was trying to help via an organization that was trying to help.

Do you disagree with the efforts of AAMA?


64 posted on 07/08/2005 4:55:39 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport

I disagree with any organization that:
a) uses *-American in its name
b) states that it exists for the advancement of one ethnic group
c) has a long-standing affiliation with a liberal national organization like the NCLR


65 posted on 07/08/2005 5:12:23 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
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To: deport

You are going to have to explain to me Bushes apparent contempt for our Immigration Law. Law is law. Law is what this nation is built on. Why would Mr. Bush disregard any part of it. Especially the part on immigration. We who are being over run in the American West are hard pressed to understand the logic. Mr Bush does not only not address the issue he tells the American press that they can not ask questions on the issue. I as an American who is being over run by Mexico would like to have few answers. I would like to sit down in a restauraunt and not have to listen to someone jabber in spanish. I am after all living in the USA. Would Mr. Bush please explain this to me. And a whole bunch of other people out here in the Rocky Mtn. West.


66 posted on 07/08/2005 5:58:35 PM PDT by Sterco
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To: Sterco
I would like to sit down in a restauraunt and not have to listen to someone jabber in spanish. I am after all living in the USA.


Hang on or move to maybe Canada or some Scandinavian country as the jabber will become more prevelant in your part of the country is my guess. If you think it's the lingo of conversation in the Rocky Mtn. West then you should try the Southwest from Texas to CA.

As far as Bushes [sic] apparent contempt for the Immigration Law you have to ask him to explain his reasoning.
67 posted on 07/08/2005 6:35:44 PM PDT by deport
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To: hispanarepublicana

"I believe it with Alberto "La Raza" Gonzalez. I think Garza is much more conservative. Simply being American hispanics doesn't mean they'll "throw the border gates wide open". If it were up to me, I'd deport every illegal I came across and raise bricks and razor wire all along the border."

Sorry, but I just don't trust a hispanic to clamp down on the borders. But what we need what you mentioned above.

DrDD


68 posted on 07/08/2005 8:53:54 PM PDT by TruePatriotDrDD
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"Why do you think Garza is for open borders? Any evidence for that allegation?"

Well, first and foremost I don't trust Bush anymore. He's too gung-ho about legalizing the illegal. Putting in a Hispanic judge is just going to further solidify that mistaken effort by Bush to make the borders even more porrous than they already are.


DrDD


69 posted on 07/08/2005 8:57:29 PM PDT by TruePatriotDrDD
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To: hispanarepublicana

Probably will be come addicted to it! Thanks for the welcome though!


70 posted on 07/08/2005 8:58:30 PM PDT by TruePatriotDrDD
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I think your view is too narrow and that you are generalizing too much. My family and some American hispanic family friends have been here for 6 generations (probably longer than some non-hispanic families), and we are more eager than anyone I know to get these illegals out of the U.S. They give good long-standing citizens like us a bad name.


71 posted on 07/08/2005 9:01:05 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
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To: Sterco

"I will stand next to you with many of my Latino friends and help you. This is what many forget. A majority of the latino people in this country by birth or legal immigration are against illegal immigration. Probably more so than I am. It raises hell with those in Colorado who have title to land from the Spanish land grants and get real tired of being thought of as immigrants. The same for those in California. If you want to see real oppostion to illegal immigration talk to these people."

I'm all for legal immigration. But I am not for changing the existing laws. I know not all Hispanics are for illegal immigration, btw.

DrDD


72 posted on 07/08/2005 9:01:19 PM PDT by TruePatriotDrDD
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To: hispanarepublicana

The fact that Gonzales has La Raza ties seals my opposition to his appointment.

DrDD


73 posted on 07/08/2005 9:04:12 PM PDT by TruePatriotDrDD
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To: TruePatriotDrDD

Well, I'm with you on that. But Emilio Garza, on the other hand, has no such ties. He's the "anti-Gonzalez".


74 posted on 07/08/2005 9:05:18 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
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To: democratstomper

Uh, I have a TEXAS flag on my profile, and the term "Chicano" is about as liberal a term that an American of Mexican descent can call themselves. Not sure what your point is, but I don't think you've read my posts thoroughly. I have an education and a job, thank you very much, paid for with dollars earned by yours truly and my hard-working parents.


76 posted on 07/08/2005 9:26:41 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez wasn't cool.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

"I think your view is too narrow and that you are generalizing too much. My family and some American hispanic family friends have been here for 6 generations (probably longer than some non-hispanic families), and we are more eager than anyone I know to get these illegals out of the U.S. They give good long-standing citizens like us a bad name"

Exactly! And I'm not talking about fine upstanding AMERICANS like your family obviously is. And I might add, I am not against open borders SOLELY because of the hispanics coming over (although I do believe that is a threat to our sovereignty groups like the Azatlan peopl and La Raza bear that out) -- but, that I believe ANYONE can come over that border with God-only-knows what. We could have terror cells in this country right now with WMD that came across the Rio Grande.

So, this is not a race issue for me. I have no axe to grind against Mexicans, so long as they come here legally and want to assimilate into our culture. To me, this is about National Security and national identity.

DrDD


79 posted on 07/09/2005 9:10:24 AM PDT by TruePatriotDrDD
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