ADOPTION OF CHRISTIANITY IN RUSSIA

Vor.ru ^ | 11/12/2004 | Tatyana Shvetsova

[paudio]

A nice article. Thank you for posting it.

[Jimmy Valentine]

After Prince Vladimir, that most ambitious prince of the Kievan Rus, we have his son, Prince Yaroslav "The Wise" who caused to be built by Byzantine craftsmen the beautiful church of St. Sophia in Kiev.

Yaroslav also began the Kievan renaissance, promoting education, literacy and trade in his kingdom.

St. Sophia still stands in Kiev with most of its ancient mosaics intact. It is a most beautiful church and even though it is now a museum, you can feel the power of the faith that built it still.

YKPAINA!

[Rytwyng]

Slava Bogu!

[Rytwyng]

Didn't I mention this yesterday?

“And we stepped on the Greek soil,” they recalled, “and they showed us their place of worship. And we knew not whether it's heaven or earth, for nowhere had we seen such a beauty, and we know not even how to speak of it. We knew only that God was there with people and that their service was better than anywhere. The beauty we've seen there will now never go, for never will you take the bitter if you've tasted the sweet. Likewise, no longer can we practice paganism

[1stFreedom]

What do you mean Christianity in Russia? There isn't any -- Didn't you know Evangelicals are sending missionaries there to spread the Gospel?

(sneer)

[Leo Carpathian]

One major problem: Kievan Rus is not Russia but today's Ukraine. Another example how Russians and propagandists are trying to steal Ukrainian culture, religion and history. Rus is not Russia, Kiev is ancient capital of Ukraine not Russia. Russians - Muscovites are far remote from European Slavs.
More disinformation by our Russian "brothers" and their FR rep. JB6.

[spanalot]

"One major problem: Kievan Rus is not Russia but today's Ukraine. Another example how Russians and propagandists are trying to steal Ukrainian culture, religion and history. Rus is not Russia, Kiev is ancient capital of Ukraine not Russia. Russians - Muscovites are far remote from European Slavs."

Worth repeating. I thought there were rules against using .ru sources. No reputable western source would promote this Kremlin propaganda.

Whats next - the roots of Russian industry in East Berlin? Or the ancient Russian oil fields of South Viet Nam?

[Agrarian]

A most beautiful story, isn't it? And thanks so much for the ping.

We have many visitors to our Orthodox Church, and they visit for many reasons. Some become Orthodox, some become a part of our "pack" of regular long-time visitors and fellow-travellers (they are like a part of the parish family), and others don't come back.

A common theme, however, is the way they talk about how beautiful our services are. We don't have the best choir, the smoothest chanting priest, the nicest icons, etc... Pretty average. But the services themselves shine through, no matter how humble the setting...

Thanks again for the ping.

[Leo Carpathian]

A common theme, however, is the way they talk about how beautiful our services are.

Yes, the Eastern Rite (Byzantine Catholic, Greco-Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Ukrainian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, etc.) church services are the most beautiful. This is why kniaz Volodymyr when searching for the religion to accept chose just that. But for Russians to claim that it is "their" service is like saying Stalin was a saint :-)

[jb6]

Kievan Rus is not Russia but today's Ukraine.

Not your revisionist crap again. Yes, in that day, Ukraine refered to modern day Belaruss, which was the edge of civilization. Funny, Kieven Rus' original capital was Novograd (where is that city?) Then it became the second main city. And what was the first? Oh yes, that was Vladimer. And where is Vladimer located? Why it's located rather well EAST of Moscow. Keep trying with your revisionism, it'll still never stick.

As for what is modern day Ukraine, half of that was Greek (the south coastal) or empty steppe.

Rus is not Russia, Kiev is ancient capital of Ukraine not Russia. Russians - Muscovites are far remote from European Slavs.

One of your stupidest statements yet. Moscow was a small city in Kieven Rus, so who the bloody hell built it? The Japanese? Pskov? Smolensk? Ryzan? Semenov? Yaroslav? Nizni Novograd?

How can you post such stupidity?

Hay bright light, try to spot where Moscow is on this map of Kieven Rus. What? It's not even on the eastern edge but near the center???? No, not according to your lies.

Do you actually believe your own lies? Or do you think you can play on people's ignorance and that no one will come around and show you for the liar you are?

[jb6]

But for Russians to claim that it is "their" service is like saying Stalin was a saint :-)

May your tongue show the serpent's split that your soul displays.

[jb6]

Leo Carpathian is a notorious revisionist and liar. The worst part is his lies are so dumb that they can easily be disproved by dozens of historical maps and sites, but he tries to do it anyways.

He is also a huge supporter of the socialist Yushchenko and his communist/revolutionary prime minister who have managed to ruin Ukraine's economy in 7 months.

[jb6]

They attack anything that reports on positive aspects of soviet empire falling apart and progress of the old satellites. Admin obviously gives blessing to it, while any retorts are taken off as "personal attacks". IS FR being hijacked by the commies?

Aren't you just the liar. Oh and it's funny, I don't see you so vocal on your home boy Socialist Yushchenko. What's the matter, government price controls, welfare programs, tax raises, etc not something you want anyone to notice? You spent months attacking us and defending RED Socialists and you call yourself a conservative?

[Freelance Warrior]

Actually, today's Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are descendants of Kievan Rus. Just before the Mongol invasion the state broke for many principalities and no prince was supreme, even in theory, after Prince Andrey Bogoliubski of Vladimir and Suzdal' captured and burned Kiev in 1169.

After Mongol's invasion the Rus's prinicipalities were damaged that badly that there were only 100 houses in Kiev a century after it was taken by the Mongols.

The land was colonised by Luthuanians and Polish, who used their chance and only East-Northern Prince of Moscow could restore sovereignity in 1480. Lithuania, Poland-Lithuania some time after, and Russia (Moscow) competed for the lands of former Kievan Rus.

Practically once single nation broke for the three parts because they lived in different states. As for the Ukrainian part, some Polish settlers also participated in creation of Ukrainian ethnicity.

There is also a big difference between the Western Part of today's Ukraine which was a part of Polish-Ukrainian Commonwealth for long time (up the end of 18th century) and Eastern part which was acquired by Russia in the middle of 17th century.

Ukrainian, Russian and Belorussian languages are that close to each other, that a person of one ethnicity can read in a language of another two without consulting a dictionary. Oral communication is easy too - you understand you're understood.

[RusIvan]

One major problem: Kievan Rus is not Russia but today's Ukraine. ==

Funny:)))

Leo do you expel from Kiev Rus the town Novgorod? Or Suzdal or Smolensk with Tver?
All those ancient towns with history more then 1000 years was included in Kiev Rus. BUT there are NOT in the limits of tiday's Ukraine.
How so if Kiev Rus is today' Ukraine as you said?:)))

BTW do you expel from Kiev Rus the lands and town of today's Belorus too?:)))) You refuse russians I understand but WHY you refuse beloruses. Are they guilty of something before you?:))

The problem of west-ukranian "historiographers" that they inflate the role of Karpatian Rus and dimished all others parts of same Kiev Rus.
Kiev Rus was biggest state of Europe of ancient times but you cut it up and dimishes her role.

[RusIvan]

I thought there were rules against using .ru sources. No reputable western source would promote this Kremlin propaganda. ==

SO now it "Kremlin propaganda"?:)) Just few weeks ago as I recall you told someting about "soviet\russian propaganda":)).
When they prove to you that Stalin wasn't russian you changed.
I see progress. Sense comming up to you bit by bit:)).

Just one question. Does all .ru sites (about 1 million and so) constitute Kremlin propaganda or not?
Fllow up: how many people has Kramlin propaganda outlet to fill up 1 mln of web sites and how many money spent on it?
:))))))))

[Freelance Warrior]

The fact that someone is sending missionaries to a certain place doesn't mean there'is no Christian faith in the place. Those two statements have no logical connection between each other...