Posted on 07/06/2005 9:26:24 PM PDT by CaptIsaacDavis
Who frickin' cares, one way or the other?
Some of us care. I ask you again: if you don't care, why do you bother to read these threads?
I read almost ALL the threads in front page news.
After more than 200 years, don't we have bigger fish to fry?
Whether Jefferson had children by a slave or not is irrelevent to today's society.
Jfferson Saly Hemmings ping.
Too tired to type! lol Let's try this again and correct the spelling.
Jefferson/Sally Hemmings ping
Almost correct...
it IS irrelevent to most anyone... except those who conveniently tried to use just such an arguement to blunt the bubba controversy....
Let us consider mindset for a moment...
False idols...the opposite of worshiping false idols isnt indifference....it's hatred...
Liberals *think* the conservatives look twords the founders as "idols"...to be worshipped...
This mindset leads them to believe that these conservative "idols" need to be destroyed...
Because...liberals in fact "idolize" many of their personalities...they in fact worship them...and think that their idols can do no wrong...even when proved to have done so...
While many conservatives realise that the founders where merely men of their contemporary times....todays morals and social norms simply do not apply...
It's not that they have done no wrong per se..only that whatever wrongs they did where by todays standards...not their own contemporaray times...
Thus the move to remove all vestages of Jefferson as a "slave owner"...
Or to simply destroy his historical image...because such an image is a threat...
Sure this is generalised...but the theme runs through out the liberal mantra
Consensual sexual intercourse with someone other than your wife is "destruction"?
Your standards have probably not been met by many human beings except for Jesus Christ and the saints.
Jefferson was a great man, but he was no saint. Whether or not he had sexual intercourse with his beloved deceased wife's half sister, he had other failings, such as ,living beyond his means, being a deadbeat debtor, and stiffing his creditors.
Somehow the world manages to carry on, regardless.
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Well, many of the actions, choices, and behaviors of history's great movers are of interest to some people today. We who love history and psychology are interested because "those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it." It's certainly interesting to consider whether or not one of the nation's founders was either a consummate liar and hypocrite, was the innocent victim of ugly, unjust accusations--or was a man who sincerely cared for a half-white slave girl who was the image of his adored late wife. Such questions are of compelling interest to many of us.
It's your prerogative not to be interested. But it's just silly to keep on asking "who cares?" Obviously, millions of us do, or we wouldn't read books and watch movies about these matters.
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You talkin to me?
Or was that addressed to something else?
Nicely put Capriole. So what if the founding fathers are proven to be as mortal as the next person. It does not lessen their contribution.
It is relevant if you realize that all scientific journals have editors. Editors are human and have a point of view and are more likely to accept articles and studies that reflect what they already believe. These are then sent to referees who have similar world views. Then a select few are published.
It was addressed to you. You're the one who argued that liberals are trying to tear Jefferson down with the story about him and Sally Hemmings.
Argue?....no..I'm pointing out the fact...
Or is ripping Jefferson's name off a public school in berkley because he was "slave holder" a figment of my imagination?
He was a man plain and simple...
I could care less who he was screwing...but if he committed perjury over it...it might be news worthy..
And For the record...when the hemmings story broke...DUmmies where besides themselves gloating....actually proclaiming the image of Jefferson to be finnally dead...just another rich white guy...a slave owner to boot...
The really funny part...is when those same liberals try and use the words of jefferson to defend the "separation of church and state" clause...which doesnt exist...
That's when someone like me brings up the whole slave owner bit...hehehe
Excellent post...You can judge the state of the cause of freedom by looking at the posts on this site (the purported bastion of conservative freedom-lovers). Many of the posts I read, not just on this topic, but also others, reveal the authors have absolutely no clue how the Left works and roughly 25% (I suspect mostly Libertarian pseudo-conservatives) actually criticize anyone who dares to write or protest or do anything at all it seems to RESIST the incremental destruction of our heritage. No wonder Savage and Buchanan have both all but conceded defeat in the culture war.
Moreover, the questionable agitprop about Jefferson is also important because it is being pushed as propaganda into some state school textbooks.
Thank you!...do I get a T-shirt now?...*grin*
One of the more shallow propaganda tracts
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0813916984/202-9895155-6684652
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