Posted on 07/06/2005 10:50:06 AM PDT by 8mmMauser
Billbears, are u a conservative? I think not. This website is for conservatives. I ahve told other liberals like yourself where to go and I will tell you. There is this site called Democraticunder something, oh well I'm sure you know the name. But I suggest you head there cause this site just doesn't seem to be for your kind.
Visit www.judgegreer.com. Lots of interesting reading.
Helped along by Felos holding up a newspaper dated during the event of Quinlan being removed from a respirator. Which, as you said, wasn't when she died.
Even if something is legal, it doesn't make it morally right. To deny a fellow human being food and water is barbaric to me.
They just wanted to cross the finish line. Terri's file was 50 volumes and the pressure was on to bump her off.
How have these kooks been allowed to gain such a foothold in Florida? Do these crazies have large support throughout the state from the public, or do they just have a "good ol' boys" network that is going to force their will on people regardless of what the folks say or what the law says?
Thanks for the web addresses. I'll be sure to visit!
I don't disagree with much of what you said except your misstatement that I do not understand the major intent of the separation of powers. You are so focused on it, you see the mote in our eyes and miss the beam in yours.
I saw up real close blatent judicial tyranny right up the line, counterbalanced by nothing at all, certainly not the will of the people. If you cannot see that, with all the detailed verbage you effuse, that is unfortunate.
For I have a far more "conservative" critical view of our Federal government than you have expressed, and I can also see where, wrapped around the axle on this one issue, you are alienating others who may see you have some point. I might have been on your side of the skirmish line in the Confederacy.
But, I can see clearly enough to recognize State sponsored murder as wrong, despite the legalese to the contrary.
Terri was murdered and the Judiciary approved. In face of that simple reality, polemics wither.
I can't get on www.terrisfight.org. I'm not sure if they are working on it but I keep getting a gateway timeout. Is that something wrong with my server?
FV, I just got on no prob.
8mm
They will have to say they are on the side or life or for death. It's that simple.
Polls by the Miami Herald-St. Pete Times are inaccurate. They are trying to help Greer and company repair their reputations, that's all.
Persons who ever agreed with Michael are scarce. Lots of Floridians don't trust the executive, legislative, judicial branches or law enforcement. Why should they? It was a big mistake to abandon Terri.
Sadly, I believe you are correct about this happening in other places as well.
I think that the very scary reality of this whole tragedy is that there is a majority of the population in this nation that really sees nothing wrong with what was done to Terri. They thought that she was worthless and not a "contributor" to society. I'll tell you one thing, this woman definitely contributed to my life!
I posted the wrong watchdog address for Greer. Here's the correct link: http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com/
I haven't been able to go there for weeks. I'll have to figure that out now. There's always something to fix. Great thread.
Ah cryptic...No response on Constitutional issues and now cryptic on what would appear on the surface to be some sort of veiled threat
Do you know everyone reads these threads?
Everyone? Really? That's a lot of people. BTW, your website link can't be found.
I would have no other reason to pick on Florida, knowing my old state of Oregon followed similar paths as did other states I travel. Oh, yes I have lived in Florida, too, even way back in the '40's and more recently, so I have a semblence of baseline for comparison.
But Florida is a special case and glares like a beacon outshining the rest of the states on this issue. And, the bad vibes center in my experience is Clearwater, itself.
What happened to Terri certainly could have happened in other states and likely has countless times over. But in Florida, it was egregious, in-your-face murder and that is what brings the limelight to sunny Florida.
A Brief History of Scientology in Clearwater
"Compiled from records of the Clearwater Courthouse, files seized from Scientology by the FBI, and archives of the St. Petersburg Times, the Tampa Tribune and the now-defunct Clearwater Sun."
"As far back as 1959, church founder L. Ron Hubbard warned that illness and even death can befall those seeking to impede Scientology." -- Joel Sappell and Robert Welkes, LA Times June 29, 1990
"1975 Scientology buys the historic Fort Harrison Hotel in downtown Clearwater under an assumed name."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1976 "Before the press can reveal the purchaser's true identity, Scientology announces its presence in Clearwater. Scientologists release a "fact sheet" on Mayor Cazares and his wife, accusing them of all manner of business and personal crimes; try to discredit him with rumours pertaining to his sex life, and attempt to frame him in a hit-and-run accident.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1977 "The FBI raids church offices and seizes thousands of documents. Eleven high-ranking church officials -- including L. Ron Hubbard's wife, Mary Sue -- are subsequently convicted of felonies and sent to prison."
The raids uncovered, among other things: Scientology's Operation Snow White, an elaborate plan to infiltrate various government and business offices and destroy negative or incriminating files pertaining to Scientology and/or its founder; Operation PC Freakout, a project to present the author of a book critical of Scientology as insane and discredit her through various overt and covert illegal activities; Operation China Shop, a project to gain control of the Clearwater Sun); Project Vatican Passport, which was a series of actions designed to establish legitimacy for the United Churches of Florida, one of the assumed names used by Scientology when they first arrived in Clearwater; and Operation Tricycle, or Hubbard's Guardian Office Program Order 261175, which instructs Scientologists to work to "take control of key points of Clearwater," including the Sun and Channel 13 TV.
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Except for her brain, which had been gone for years. And her eyes, putting the lie to her family's desperate need to believe that she could see them.
Terri was dead for a very long time before the feeding tube was removed. Her heart just didn't know it.
I just gave you the link. I left out his first name before. It's too long but do you know that Greer's tv commercial is on the internet? It's illegal. He even bought billboards from a company that he holds stock in. That's also illegal. Greer should be impeached yesterday.
My husbands uncle still lives in Clearwater, and no doubt will die there....he really sees no reason to move, and certainly not because of the Terri Shiavo case...he goes only by what he saw there, in relation to his wives case, and in that case, anything and everything was done to cure her, and let her continue to live...
I have worked in nursing homes for many years, in the state of Washington...altho I have never taken care of anyone who had a feeding tube pulled, I know that I was taking care of a man and his wife contemplated pulling her husbands feeding tube, and I know that the doctors would have done it, if that is what she decided to do...her husband died before she made a final decision....but the law would have sided with her, pulling the tube, since the husband could not speak for himself, and in fact had had part of his brain removed surgically....and I am sure that this situation occurs in every state and in every state feeding tubes are pulled...
I think we all knew more about what happens in Florida, because it was on TV....but I really do not suspect, that it is any different in any of the other states...I really dont find that Florida acted in a way different from what would happen anywhere else...
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